Ukraine: As it happens.

Sand wrote: »

Personal insult. Accusation of "rascism". Rant about the US.

Yeah, one of us has got a fixed point of view alright.

Was hardly an accusation, you pretty much stated it... Wasn't insulting you as I said "like" not "you are"... And my rant was hardly just about the US now was it..

Sand wrote: »

The problem the Russians have is they are so badly and blatantly lying in the propaganda that no one believes them. The boy who cried wolf is a well known story for a reason. The Ukrainian government is probably economical with the truth but nothing like the amazing scale of cynical dishonesty practised by the Russians.

At this point if the Russians said it was raining, you'd have to go out and check for yourself.

I haven't heard any Russian propaganda, where are you hearing this propaganda? The only propaganda I'm hearing is from the western media which is blindly pro US. The Ukrainian interim government comprises of a bunch of unsavory xenophobic extreme far right nationalists but if you think they are "economical with the truth" thats ok - you're entitled to your opinion.

jimeryan22 wrote: »

Was hardly an accusation, you pretty much stated it... Wasn't insulting you as I said "like" not "you are"... And my rant was hardly just about the US now was it..

Just about every single post you make, in every single thread you post on has something negative to say about America.

When I read you & Elmer's posts, I imagine what the moderators attitude would be if you replaced the words 'America/American' with ' Black/Pakistani/Asian'.

I've said it before, especially regarding Elmer, I can't fathom the mindset that fixates so venomously on a single people.
In your case, America/Americans.

You two seem to hold such hate for America, that hate blinds you to all else.

I'd pity it, but I cannot pity hatred.

gandalf

As regards Russian propaganda all you have to do is look at RT,a site you have quoted from Elmer. They make Fox News look like a bastion of truth. For the record Fox News are considered a complete and utter joke!

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Khannie wrote: »

This is relevant here, because I called it earlier in the thread along with comongethappy. Russians being paid to extol the virtues of Russia online.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-army-hit-america

How do I get me some of this sweet russian troll money?

comongethappy wrote: »

Just about every single post you make, in every single thread you post on has something negative to say about America.

When I read you & Elmer's posts, I imagine what the moderators attitude would be if you replaced the words 'America/American' with ' Black/Pakistani/Asian'.

I've said it before, especially regarding Elmer, I can't fathom the mindset that fixates so venomously on a single people.
In your case, America/Americans.

You two seem to hold such hate for America, that hate blinds you to all else.

I'd pity it, but I cannot pity hatred.

Well, nearly every post of yours I've read have a certain detached from the real world kind of thing going on, maybe that's because half of your statements about my posts couldn't be further from the truth... Please don't play psychologist and pretend to know my thinking... I most certainly am not anti american.. I served with plenty of them, as I've stated before.. So you "pity" what you please, because I most certainly don't need it, save it for Ukraine, that we are supposed to be debating here instead of personal attacks on myself...

An interesting read for anyone...
Some would say, nothing's changed..
Poor Ukraine still getting the short end of the stick..

http://www.dpcamps.org/histukr.html

And so it starts to come out.. Officially...
.......

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines

loughside

Exciting job opportunity!

Anyone in here knows how to drive a T-62?

https://www.vocativ.com/world/ukraine-world/interviewed-tank-operator-job-ukraine/

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moxin

The pro-Russian supporters have been very quiet here since Slaviansk fell and especially quiet since the aircrash.

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Phoenix wrote: »

Also Canadian defence minister has promised to send weapons to assist the Ukrainian army in retaking East ukraine from rebel control

Non-lethal military supplies...

No weapons.

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Xios

Appearantly the Russian Aid Convoy has been sighted near the border here. Which is a rebel held border crossing as far as i know.

I can't link the tweet as i'm at work, but the tweeter is @rolandOliphant

This is a very interesting development, as the Aid convoy will be going straight into rebel hands, which is a big slap in the face of Kiev who has rejected the Aid Convoy. Kiev only wanted the Red Cross to deliver the Aid, not Russia, but i believe it hasn't changed hands to the Red Cross.

Xios wrote: »

Appearantly the Russian Aid Convoy has been sighted near the border here. Which is a rebel held border crossing as far as i know.

I can't link the tweet as i'm at work, but the tweeter is @rolandOliphant

This is a very interesting development, as the Aid convoy will be going straight into rebel hands, which is a big slap in the face of Kiev who has rejected the Aid Convoy. Kiev only wanted the Red Cross to deliver the Aid, not Russia, but i believe it hasn't changed hands to the Red Cross.

The Red Cross are not involved at all it seems.

If it crossed there they may not get a chance to inspect it anyway.

Xios

comongethappy wrote: »

The Red Cross are not involved at all it seems.

If it crossed there they may not get a chance to inspect it anyway.

Yeah, and that's where it gets interesting, because since Ukraine doesn't control the border, they won't be able to verify what's in the trucks. 240 trucks can be hiding quite a lot of weapons and troops. Could be a trojan horse style tactic.

The point being, only Russia knows whats in the trucks, and they're entering ukrainian territory, what can Ukraine do? Attack them? Let them go ahead?

Attacking them could allow Russia an excuse to send in their forces, letting it through leaves Ukraine in a vulreble position because they don't know what's in it.

I cannot believe that Ukraine is blocking these trucks, all they have to do is let them in, plant weapons on some the trucks among the medicine, food and water and bingo......... we told you so!

Its that easy, people will believe in anything as the "evidence" about MH17 showed.

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I cannot believe that Ukraine is blocking these trucks, all they have to do is let them in, plant weapons on some the trucks among the medicine, food and water and bingo......... we told you so! Its that easy, people will believe in anything as the "evidence" about MH17 showed.

How is Ukraine blocking them?

It doesn't control the border point the convoy is parked near.

Xios

Russian APC column crossed Ukrainian border. Ukraine claims they destroyed a large portion of the column.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0815/637230-ukraine-russia/

If russia decides to retaliate in anyway, I think that would be crossing the Rubicon, they won't be able to turn back.

Xios wrote: »

If russia decides to retaliate in anyway, I think that would be crossing the Rubicon, they won't be able to turn back.

Some reports say a only single APC of last nights convoy was destroyed.

Russia crossed the Rubicon months ago.
They have a permanent metaphorical bridge spanning it now!

comongethappy wrote: »

Some reports say a only single APC of last nights convoy was destroyed.

Russia crossed the Rubicon months ago.
They have a permanent metaphorical bridge spanning it now!

"Russia crossed the rubicon"
Unbelievable, bizarre. Your US/NATO friends are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions of innocent civilians since the beginning of this century. Why do you ignore this?
How many innocent civilians has Russia murdered this century?

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

"Russia crossed the rubicon"
Unbelievable, bizarre. Your US/NATO friends are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions of innocent civilians since the beginning of this century. Why do you ignore this?
How many innocent civilians has Russia murdered this century?

Let's not forget that Russia "invaded" and gobbled up Crimea :pac:

Russia also "invaded" Georgia even though that chimp in charge of Georgia attacked South Ossetia :pac:

It's :pac: able

A Russian aid convoy to Ukraine contained...guess what?

AID!!!

How disappointing for the clowns. :pac:

Next chapter..."It's a ruse!! It must be!!"

comongethappy wrote: »

Some reports say a only single APC of last nights convoy was destroyed.

Russia crossed the Rubicon months ago.
They have a permanent metaphorical bridge spanning it now!

What "Rubicon" might that be then?

Supplying the world with their radar with reference to MH17 when the Ukrainian government and the US refuses to release evidence that they claim to have implicating Moscow.

Next joke, please.

Egginacup wrote: »

What "Rubicon" might that be then?

Supplying the world with their radar with reference to MH17 when the Ukrainian government and the US refuses to release evidence that they claim to have implicating Moscow.

Next joke, please.

next joke?
the black boxes went to the UK.