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danniemcq wrote: »

Once again i repeat that Hamas actively shut down rockets being fired into Israel.

Posted earlier today but you might have missed it

Remember now these are Israeli news links and not a "biased" western media outlet

So Hamas can stop rocket launches when they want to. Great.

Then why don't they stop now? Or why didn't they stop last week when Israel stopped?

A Dub in Glasgo

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Good.
I still stand by my words - tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who are.
Some truths don't change with time my friend, and some people here on boards need to take a good look at themselves and at what they support and why.

I would be the first to always make the distinction between Hamas and the Palestinians when applicable, and my heart goes to the suffering Palestinians - in particular all the innocent children.

But at the end of the day - the Palestinians made a choice between Hamas and Fatah.
One was corrupt but headed for peace, and the other was corrupt and promised Jihad.
The Palestinians democratically (right?) elected Hamas, and they still support it and its Jihadist targets. They are responsible for Hamas as much as Hamas is responsible for them.

I completely understand that Israel has to defend its own citizens first and only then think about enemy citizens.
I see that the Israelis are doing the best they can not to hurt civilians - more than any other army in the world.
I know that war is chaos and I'm amazed at how the Israelis manage to avoid killing so many more civilians given the conditions on the ground.

You are a deluded person

danniemcq

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yep. And Hamas' friends have just chased the last Christians out of Mosul after 1,600 years.

are you refering to ISIS?

ISIS Spokesman Explains Why 'Islamic State' Not Supporting Hamas

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182751

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/gaza-denies-isis-presence-jihadist-killed-syria.html

and

ISIS has no direct connections with Hamas. Indeed, ISIS is a globalized movement that lacks deep roots in any particular society and has no nationalist project.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Hamas-and-ISIS-359674#!

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

As a medical professional I suggest you leave your unqualified speculation to the professionals. When I worked in London, I remember a lad coming into the ER Resus room with the Police claiming he was stabbed. Long story short, he had been shot in the right lower quadrant region, the bullet then shattered part of his Ilium, ricocheted off it, traveled upwards and transversely across his body. It severed the descending Aorta while doing so. It then exited and lodged in his left Tricep. One entrance wound, one exit wound. A very survivable bullet wound became fatal, when the bullet ricocheted of the shattered bone and by the internal trajectory it then took. So I can assure you, it does not require a gunshot wound to the head/chest to kill somebody. A lot of gunshot deaths aren't what you see in the movies. Very often the police will report that a person has been stabbed and those involved in treating a victim, end up uncovering what really happened.

It's not the same when a sniper rifle or even an AK is involved. Also - where is the blood in the video?

R P McMurphy

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Good.
I still stand by my words - tell me who your friends are, and I'll tell you who are.
Some truths don't change with time my friend, and some people here on boards need to take a good look at themselves and at what they support and why.

I would be the first to always make the distinction between Hamas and the Palestinians when applicable, and my heart goes to the suffering Palestinians - in particular all the innocent children.

But at the end of the day - the Palestinians made a choice between Hamas and Fatah.
One was corrupt but headed for peace, and the other was corrupt and promised Jihad.
The Palestinians democratically (right?) elected Hamas, and they still support it and its Jihadist targets. They are responsible for Hamas as much as Hamas is responsible for them.

I completely understand that Israel has to defend its own citizens first and only then think about enemy citizens.
I see that the Israelis are doing the best they can not to hurt civilians - more than any other army in the world.
I know that war is chaos and I'm amazed at how the Israelis manage to avoid killing so many more civilians given the conditions on the ground.

So basically you are saying that the people in Gaza are getting what they deserve is that it?

As for doing their best not to hurt civilians, well there is ample evidence every day that this is definitely not the case. So do you put all of the civilian deaths down to pure incompetence on the part of the IDF?

Warper wrote: »

Your comments are sick

Why?

bumper234

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

"controlled by powerful Jewish interest groups" = Anti Semitism (in the old fashioned sense of the word, which excludes the Palestinians from the group and leaves only the jews in it), just fyi

So are you claiming that there are not "powerful Jewish interest groups" that lobby the US and British governments?

A Dub in Glasgo

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Why?

Try reading what you type and you will see

FTA69 wrote: »

Hamas have no links with ISIS ya lunatic. It's a bit cracked to be blaming Hamas for something that happened in a country that doesn't even border Palestine.

Hamas supports all of the Syrian rebels, including ISIS

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224

bumper234

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

It's not the same when a sniper rifle or even an AK is involved. Also - where is the blood in the video?

You have obviously never seen a real world GSW.

Tony EH

FTA69 wrote: »

Hamas didn't fire any rockets for 18 months. Even when Hamas were on total ceasefire, Gaza remained blockaded. Settlement expansion continued in the West Bank which also remained under occupation.

Jesus Christ why does this keep needing to be repeated.

Because you're trying to tell something to people who care nothing for fact. Especially fact that interferes with their particular camp's stance.

They're partisans of the most ridiculous kind.

Why waste your time?

whats_my_name

d.pop wrote: »

People on here seem to believe that the IDF is an army of autobots following some crackpots orders to kill all Palestinian children they meet.
The IDF is an army of 18yr old conscripts sent into harms way believing they are doing the right thing by their families at home.
Maybe there is a higher agenda, I don't know, I'm just saying the young men on the ground are there because they have to be.
Have you met any Israelis? Contrary to popular opinion now and like popular opinion back in the day they do not walk around drinking the blood of Christians etc.
They do enjoy a drop of wine or a beer however.

I met an Israeli tank commander travelling a number of years ago, he described ALL Palestines as scum and that they needed to be ALL wiped out. It didn't surprise me that children playing on a beach were targeted when soldiers have this mentality.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yep. And Hamas' friends have just chased the last Christians out of Mosul after 1,600 years.

Why are you repeating this crap?

You were asked for links to show they were allies before and you couldn't do it, and here you are again, spouting crap.

bumper234 wrote: »

http://news.sky.com/story/1306832/israeli-shell-strikes-gaza-school-15-dead

But Israel does not target innocent civilians :rolleyes:

I don't know the whole story yet, I'll respond after Israel responds. Could be a mistake - maybe they'll even admit it? I don't know, but I don't like to jump to conclusions based on an initial report.
If they did bomb civilians on purpose without being fired on from the location or its immediate vicinity it's a war crime.

danniemcq

I Heart Internet wrote: »

So Hamas can stop rocket launches when they want to. Great.

Then why don't they stop now? Or why didn't they stop last week when Israel stopped?

You mean during the ceasefire that they had no knowledge of and had none of the demands even considered?

FTA69 wrote: »

Hamas didn't fire any rockets for 18 months. Even when Hamas were on total ceasefire, Gaza remained blockaded. Settlement expansion continued in the West Bank which also remained under occupation.

Jesus Christ why does this keep needing to be repeated.

The guy is a troll, just ignore him. Every now and again he has to insist on the 18 month thing.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Hamas supports all of the Syrian rebels, including ISIS

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/24/us-syria-palestinians-idUSTRE81N1CC20120224

Nowhere there does it say they support ISIS. You claimed they were allies earlier in the thread - back it up.

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

I don't know the whole story yet, I'll respond after Israel responds. ....................

Classy.

danniemcq wrote: »

are you refering to ISIS?

ISIS Spokesman Explains Why 'Islamic State' Not Supporting Hamas

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/182751

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/gaza-denies-isis-presence-jihadist-killed-syria.html

and

ISIS has no direct connections with Hamas. Indeed, ISIS is a globalized movement that lacks deep roots in any particular society and has no nationalist project.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Hamas-and-ISIS-359674#!

Did you actually read those links? One is a denial that Hamas militants have turned up in Syria and the other concerns a statement from the leader of ISIS essentially saying that the time isn't right for all out war on Israel - they're taking a systematic approach to the growth of their caliphate and killing Israeli's today would upset that. They're on the list though. Hilarious.

danniemcq

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

It's not the same when a sniper rifle or even an AK is involved. Also - where is the blood in the video?

entry wounds aren't that spectacular as you may be led to believe by tv and movies.

The real damage would be on the exit would which would not be visable in the video.

Idealy you don't even want a bullet to exit the target. As i said earlier you would either want it to sxpand/explode inside the body where the shrapnel will tear everything apart or have the whole bullet tumble through the body ripping and tearing everything.

end of the road wrote: »

they are not a small minority, and they are in control, and the conflict will be ended once the palestinians are eradicated and the territory taken

If that was true - how come there are Israelis demonstrating freely to stop the war, to free Gaza, etc? Would extremists allow it?
Would they allow Arab cabinet members?
Would they allow right of vote to Israeli Arabs?
Would they support gay rights?

They are a very small minority.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Yep. And Hamas' friends have just chased the last Christians out of Mosul after 1,600 years.

Hamas themselves have been known to handle Christians in a "loving" fashion.

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Did you actually read those links? One is a denial that Hamas militants have turned up in Syria and the other concerns a statement from the leader of ISIS essentially saying that the time isn't right for all out war on Israel - they're taking a systematic approach to the growth of their caliphate and killing Israeli's today would upset that. They're on the list though. Hilarious.

Back up your claim that Hamas is allied with ISIS or withdraw it.

Warper

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

If that was true - how come there are Israelis demonstrating freely to stop the war, to free Gaza, etc? Would extremists allow it?
Would they allow Arab cabinet members?
Would they allow right of vote to Israeli Arabs?
Would they support gay rights?

They are a very small minority.

The majority of Israelites supports the ground offensive - how is that not a majority?

FTA69

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

The guy is a troll, just ignore him. Every now and again he has to insist on the 18 month thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2013

I said Hamas didn't fire any rockets into Israel for over a year. I know you like to get things repeatedly and utterly wrong but the fact remains that Hamas aren't the only group operating in Gaza. The small unaccountable groups who did fire the rockets also managed to inflict zero casualties. Your narrative of a constant deadly bombardment into Israel is false; in 2013 there were 44 ineffectual projectiles fired into the state.

This is in sharp contrast to the numerous Palestinians who were shot dead or brutalised under Israeli military occupation while settlements continued to expand.

Zebra3 wrote: »

Whereas Israel has never imported rockets or other military supplies. :rolleyes:

Not at the expense of its people. The Israelis have shelters and iron dome. The Palestinians have what?
Instead of using the aid they got to build dozens (if not more) of terror tunnels meant to attack Israeli civilians, they could have used the aid to build bomb shelters for their own people. Didn't build even one did they?

Archie D Bunker wrote: »

Hamas themselves have been known to handle Christians in a "loving" fashion.

In fairness there are Christian Churches in Gaza. There are Christian Palestinians in Gaza, Israel and the West Bank.

They are being ruthlessly run out of any areas in ISIS control. ISIS are fellow travellers of Hamas, except Hamas has a reputation to maintain in the west, ISIS just want a reputation to strike fear into the west.

FTA69

Tony EH wrote: »

Because you're trying to tell something to people who care nothing for fact. Especially fact that interferes with their particular camp's stance.

They're partisans of the most ridiculous kind.

Why waste your time?

I'm done with it to be honest. There are people on here who are clearly Hasbara-inspired trolls and also people who simply haven't a f*cking notion what they're on about.

end of the road wrote: »

what is wrong with you, why do you refuse to get this point that has been explained time and time again, hamas not firing rockets will make no difference, this is about israel taking all the territory for a full jewish state, at all costs.

How do you know, if they never really tried for longer than a week?