5live wrote: » Welcome. Its always interesting here, even for the wrong reasons.Panda saps have vacancies arising every day now...:(
I am pie wrote: » I can't see it and we haven't seen it.When he played with Allen, Allen sat deeper and was less mobile. I suspect you can probably throw those labels in the bin as what I believe BR is looking for is midfielders who can accelerate that attacking transition that this liverpool team is based on. Right now Gerrard's weakness is his mobility. I think Can will directly replace him in time and play in tandem with Henderson. Neither one will be a (DLM), I dont see the need. We'll have 2 more mobile players who will cover ground between defense and attack, of course, as each game requires one or both can play deeper or further forward, but generally I would say they will play as a pair. Strengths will be quick transitions from attack to defence and vice versa. I dont think Rogers' ideal style needsd a DLM. I think that's a static position which will in time become less useful as players become more multifaceted. We all love Pirlo, but i think that role is becoming as much of a luxury as a static no.10 role in behind the strikers. That's the over riding profile of the player we are buying, mobility, can carry and pass. I think we'll move beyond static fixed positions in mf beyond giving Can & Henderson responsbility for quick shift between def & attack and asking Lallana to drive & direct the attacking 4.
5live wrote: » Welcome. Its always interesting here, even for the wrong reasons. Panda saps have vacancies arising every day now...:(
Raif Severance wrote: » You underestimate Hendo's Passing. He's probably the Best One we have, next to Gerrard. Hendo will not be a Predefined DLM per se, but he will play it In Tandem with Can. Just like when he and Allen did it, when Gerrard got Injured last season. One goes Forward and Help in the Attack, while the Other stays to Cover. The Reason why I put DLM on Hendo, instead of Can, is that Can will Run with the Ball more than I think Hendo will. I know Hendo's a Strong Runner, but he usually does it Off the Ball. He's not the Type that will Dribble the Ball around a Defender, that Can or Lallana likes to do. So even though both of them will Interchange in those Roles in that Setup, Can will be play more of the CM and Hendo the DLM.
I am pie wrote: » Henderson won't play there, didn't last season. Gerrard did. Next year will be Gerrard + Henderson Lallana Gerrard will be phased out by Can in time, but it won't happen overnight. Gerrard is the club captain and will play most of the season, Can is a new 20 yr old with limited playing time ahead of him this year.Henderson doesn't have the passing game to play DLM, he is better in the CM role supporting Lallana and providing extra cover at the back. His mobility is one of his biggest assets and to shackle him in a deeper position is a mistake that BR wouldnt make. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's not a position he has played for us or previously for Sunderland.
p38 wrote: » Star players are great to have but I believe it is teams that win things and teams that make stars out of players. I think B Rodgers is going about things the right way and look forward to the new season. Only major concern is at the back didnt see any of the Roma game how did we look as a defensive unit. First post here so Hi to all looking forward to a interesting season
NEDDURC wrote: » I'd also expect our best mid / forwards currently to be: Gerrard Henderson Lallana Coutinho Markovic Sturidge
I am pie wrote: » Henderson won't play there, didn't last season. Gerrard did. Next year will be Gerrard + Henderson Lallana Gerrard will be phased out by Can in time, but it won't happen overnight. Gerrard is the club captain and will play most of the season, Can is a new 20 yr old with limited playing time ahead of him this year. Henderson doesn't have the passing game to play DLM, he is better in the CM role supporting Lallana and providing extra cover at the back. His mobility is one of his biggest assets and to shackle him in a deeper position is a mistake that BR wouldnt make. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's not a position he has played for us or previously for Sunderland.
Raif Severance wrote: » Just seen the Replay of our Friendly with Roma, and I've already taken a liking to Can. Strong on the Ball, and wilingly Drives it to the Teeth of the Defense. We've never had a Midfielder like that. Not since the Days of Gerrard's Captain Fantastic. Can't wait to see us Play, with a Midfield Setup like this: Hendo (DLM) Can (CM) Lallana (AM) That's a Midfield with alot of Thrust and Workrate.
Underpaid Mike wrote: » Kuyt scored 71 goals in 101 games in the dutch league Suarez scored 81 goals in 110 games By your reckoning Kuyt was inevitably going to become a world class player by playing in a bigger team and getting CL football. Definitely doesnt work like that at all.
8-10 wrote: » Yes, because he was playing in a better league. He was already outstanding in the Dutch league by the 10/11 season and needed to move on, he'd essentially out-grown it. Had he gone to United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City or Spurs back then I reckon he'd still have gone for huge money this summer. I agree that Liverpool made Torres better, and I agree that Liverpool's system didn't hold Suarez back. I just think his talent is such that it's not just down to the club, had he gone elsewhere he'd still be good enough to go to a Barca.
Raif Severance wrote: » We've never had a Midfielder like that. Not since the Days of Gerrard's Captain Fantastic.
murpho999 wrote: » Of course...that's why his value went from £23m to £75m
Utopia Parkway wrote: » Always have done. Even during the 70's and 80's. Buy players when they are young and upcoming, develop them and often sell them at their peak.
8-10 wrote: » I actually disagree that Liverpool made Suarez into a better player. The reason he got better was playing in a better league. He's of the quality that would have thrived at any number of clubs and been as good as he is today. I actually think he'd be better now if he'd played Champions League football. How long since he's played CL? 4 years? And never in the knockouts. I'm hugely looking forward to seeing him play next season, I think he'll tear it up in champions league
5ForKeeps wrote: » Arguably you could say Brendan Rodgers incorporated a system around Suarez got the best out of Suarez. Works both ways, under Kenny Suarez couldn't a hit barn door. He and Rodgers were in the right place and time, both reaped the benefits. Financially we did and he got his move. So works both ways.
Knex. wrote: » Yesterday was a good day, until Chris Martin and Coldplay came on, and suddenly it was all yellow.
Brendan Rodgers wrote: "If that means we do not spend all the money or the net spend is the same, then so be it."
murpho999 wrote: » Don't get this need for a 'star' or 'marquee' signing. We arguably haven't had one at LFC since Torres, although Liverpool made him a better player. Same with Suarez. People baulked at Sturridge signing last year but wouldn't want him leaving now. Think Liverpool create more stars than actually sign.
