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Palestinaisn being slaughtered and a prick with a cowboy hat is on frint page

davmol

So,the isralies had some of their citizens murdered and as usual have to kill 10-20 palestinians for every 1 israelie they lost.Scores of innocents will be murdered including a few littel girls already killed and Garth brooks gets teh headline of each newspaper.

what kind of world is this that a plonker who sings sh1t songs can get the headlines while innocent people are murdered by the Israeli war machine?!1:mad:

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Buzz Killington the third

Straight from the mouth of the Israeli Ambassador on Newstalk around 15 minutes ago when asked about the slaughter of civilians including children "We killed them, but it was Hamas who murdered them". Ivan Yates called him on it and he said it was the fault of Hamas because they keep firing rockets.

He kept going back to saying "we have a right to defend ourselves from these rockets" which is true.... it's why they have a missile defence system. What they're doing isn't defence, it out and out murder.

Tony EH

speedboatchase wrote: »

And the rockets? Has Hamas stopped firing rockets for no apparent reason?

As if there is any kind of parity.

:rolleyes:

R P McMurphy

speedboatchase wrote: »

And the rockets? Has Hamas stopped firing rockets for no apparent reason?

Hamas has not stopped firing rockets, but do you care to make a comment on the statistics in the linked site:

75% civilian casualties on the Palestinian side, a third of those deaths are those of children. Those horrendous figures point to one of two things: either gross incompetence on the part of the IDF or a campaign designed to completely demoralise those living in the Gaza strip through terrorism

bumper234

speedboatchase wrote: »

And the rockets? Has Hamas stopped firing rockets for no apparent reason?

Other than the continued oppression, imprisonment and murder of their people you mean?

speedboatchase

hju6 wrote: »

Casualties and destruction in Gaza as of 15.00 hours yesterday

http://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/occupied-palestinian-territory-gaza-emergency-situation-rep-12

Killing of children continues unabated

And the rockets? Has Hamas stopped firing rockets for no apparent reason?

WakeUp

d.pop wrote: »

Not like us in the west? Not like the Balkans, not like the Ukraine, not like Northern Ireland? No, nothing like us at all.
Just for the record I'm not Israeli or a Borg.
Also not condoning what us going on by any means, simply trying to get the other side of the story out there amongst the vitriol and hatred being spouted.
Some of the posts on here are nothing short of amazing in do far as nobody is willing to concede that there might be a human element to what the IDF are trying to do? No? Wasting my time I suppose.

The only people I see spouting hatred and vitriol here and on other threads are from those sympathetic to what the IDF and Israeli government class as acceptable behaviour - DNA based weapons, bombing the Palestinians out of existence etc etc...a human element to what the IDF are doing? maybe in your mind but certainly not in mine. blowing kids up on a beach , shelling a hospital to name but two atrocities carried out from those wonderful outstanding humanitarians in the IDF. since this began and since I've started engaging and listening to people like yourself lots of things have amazed me . and my eyes have been opened to a number of things. and no as long as the Israeli government continue to steal their neighbours land, dehumanise and kill them in what can only be described as an open air prison camp I can't see how they can described as being like us in the west. they aren't.

hju6

Casualties and destruction in Gaza as of 15.00 hours yesterday

http://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/occupied-palestinian-territory-gaza-emergency-situation-rep-12

Killing of children continues unabated

d.pop

WakeUp wrote: »

But Israel isn't like us in the west is it? Let's cut the boll0x and call it as it is shall we. in the "west" stealing your neighbours land , dehumanising them , attempting to bomb them out of existence so on so forth is not an acceptable type of behaviour and doesn't happen. so how is Israel the face of the west or like us in the west? It's offensive . I live in the west and you are certainly not the face of whatever for me . Who decided Israel is just like us in the west.. Israel? I think not . with the behaviour your government exhibits coupled with the emotionally aloof borg like tacit acceptance of such behaviour from the majority of Israelis it would appear ,you aren't really like us in the west are you . stop saying, thinking , claiming that , whatever. it's incorrect .

Not like us in the west? Not like the Balkans, not like the Ukraine, not like Northern Ireland? No, nothing like us at all.
Just for the record I'm not Israeli or a Borg.
Also not condoning what us going on by any means, simply trying to get the other side of the story out there amongst the vitriol and hatred being spouted.
Some of the posts on here are nothing short of amazing in do far as nobody is willing to concede that there might be a human element to what the IDF are trying to do? No? Wasting my time I suppose.

Nodin

smoking_kills wrote: »

israel will (..............) going on since the turn of the year.

Where did you get the supposed information about the Palestinians rejecting a two state deal and not giving concessions?

h2005

I Voted For Kodos wrote: »

Not gonna search 128 pages..

Anyone else not give a shiny shíte about Palestine?

Ya the Isrealis.

Johro

WakeUp wrote: »

You're probably right though things like that shouldn't really go unchallenged. talk of DNA weapons ,over on another thread that was locked bombing the Palestinians out of existence, now this nukes and genocide against them. seems some of them have no problem openly and tacitly maybe secretly hoping for such a thing to happen. It isn't right as any reasonable person would assume. perhaps certain people would like to see the Palestinians blown out of existence thankfully though warped mind sets like that I would hope are few and far between.

Fair enough, I was going to say just report him but it looks like that already happened, poster got banned for a bit. What I meant really was that he seemed like someone just looking for a reaction, a troll, in short.

[Deleted User]

I Voted For Kodos wrote: »

Not gonna search 128 pages..

Anyone else not give a shiny shíte about Palestine?

Yeah but none of them were as cool and edgy as you.

wes

I Voted For Kodos wrote: »

Not gonna search 128 pages..

Anyone else not give a shiny shíte about Palestine?

By posting in the thread, it clearly shows you care enough to moan about it

WakeUp

d.pop wrote: »

Perhaps to some extremist's Israel is the face of the western world in the Middle East, particularly because of ties to US? If Israel falls it is open season on the west for the al-qaedas of the world.

But Israel isn't like us in the west is it? Let's cut the boll0x and call it as it is shall we. in the "west" stealing your neighbours land , dehumanising them , attempting to bomb them out of existence so on so forth is not an acceptable type of behaviour and doesn't happen. so how is Israel the face of the west or like us in the west? It's offensive . I live in the west and you are certainly not the face of whatever for me . Who decided Israel is just like us in the west.. Israel? I think not . with the behaviour your government exhibits coupled with the emotionally aloof borg like tacit acceptance of such behaviour from the majority of Israelis it would appear ,you aren't really like us in the west are you . stop saying, thinking , claiming that , whatever. it's incorrect .

Karl Stein

mikeyjames9 wrote: »

Israeli spokesman says "why don't they come out and fight"

Yep. Stand out in a field with a gun and shoot at the IDF while you're minced by a multi million dollar death-copter.

People actually listen to that shit.

mikeyjames9

Israeli spokesman is on tv blaming Hamas for the high level of civilian casualties

he says "why don't they come out and fight"

like how can they.. they'd be wiped out with all the overwhelming firepower

smoking_kills

israel will only self destruct due to the extremists within it, causing the citizens who live in the real world and not a fantasy land to decide they have had enough and leave.

right, and not an extremist in Palatine to be found.

it does.----agreed

what have they done?---made offers, more than can be said for Hamas.

yes, little to no rockets were fired for 2 years until israel decided to stir up some trouble by arresting people for being palestinian, and then bombing gaza for the hell of it to take their anger over 3 israely deaths out on somebody, anybody----

little to no rockets, yeah right, they have been going on since the turn of the year.

FullblownRose

It's alost laughable to watch people at loggerheads over this here and now. Of course people feel strongly. That's natural! And, while this *is* a sort of discussion website, it still seems a bit silly to keep the whole thing going to no real end.

Nodin

smoking_kills wrote: »

No, i'd need to read the papers the guardian has to do that, sorry but its best to go to the source and not let someone else filter the information for me, especially the guardian.

So where did you get the supposed information about the Palestinians rejecting a two state deal and not giving concessions?

end of the road

smoking_kills wrote: »

What other issues, that Israel would not self destruct?

israel will only self destruct due to the extremists within it, causing the citizens who live in the real world and not a fantasy land to decide they have had enough and leave.

smoking_kills wrote: »

Takes 2 sides to make concessions

it does.

smoking_kills wrote: »

Israel has shown time and again they are willing to.

what have they done?

smoking_kills wrote: »

Can you say the same about the Palestinian authority or Hamas?

yes, little to no rockets were fired for 2 years until israel decided to stir up some trouble by arresting people for being palestinian, and then bombing gaza for the hell of it to take their anger over 3 israely deaths out on somebody, anybody

sid waddell

smoking_kills wrote: »

Yeah that's right, the Palestinians never broke the Oslo accord either with suicide bombings and continued terrorism towards Israel.

So clearly you aren't familiar with the term "Bantustan", because if you were you would have said so.

And if you aren't familiar with the term, you really shouldn't be commenting on any thread related to the conflict.

Carry on typing "terrorism" there like a good little zombie robot.

smoking_kills

Nodin wrote: »

Sorry, you asked

"Takes 2 sides to make concessions, Israel has shown time and again they are willing to. Can you say the same about the Palestinian authority or Hamas? "

and when I've shown the PA has indeed made many many concessions, you can't even acknowledge it.

No, i'd need to read the papers the guardian has to do that, sorry but its best to go to the source and not let someone else filter the information for me, especially the guardian.

FullblownRose

Barnacles.

smoking_kills

sid waddell wrote: »

Well in 1993, when the Oslo accord was signed, far from stopping building of settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, Israel rapidly ramped up settlement building.

That's taking the piss.

Are you familiar with the term "Bantustan"?

Yeah that's right, the Palestinians never broke the Oslo accord either with suicide bombings and continued terrorism towards Israel.

Nodin

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Probably because Ireland knows it will take weeks for the probe to be completed and by then the violence will have stopped.

No, because Charlie Flanagan I'd say.

Nodin

smoking_kills wrote: »

Yes i did, and makes no difference...........

Sorry, you asked

"Takes 2 sides to make concessions, Israel has shown time and again they are willing to. Can you say the same about the Palestinian authority or Hamas? "

and when I've shown the PA has indeed made many many concessions, you can't even acknowledge it.

sid waddell

smoking_kills wrote: »

Well yeah they were actually.

And what do you mean they were taking the piss?

And please tell us all how you know they were not negotiating in good faith, are u privy to some information the rest of the world is not?

Well in 1993, when the Oslo accord was signed, far from stopping building of settlements in the West Bank and Gaza, Israel rapidly ramped up settlement building.

That's taking the piss.

Are you familiar with the term "Bantustan"?

CrazyRabbit

Buzz Killington the third wrote: »

According to the journal, the un rights council are launching a probe in to the Israeli attacks.

Uriel. wrote: »

And Ireland refused to support the motion

Probably because Ireland knows it will take weeks for the probe to be completed and by then the violence will have stopped.

CrazyRabbit

tayto lover wrote: »

The Israeli murder machine continues to slaughter children in Gaza yet the U.N. and U.S. continue to mostly ignore it. Shameful.

Well they've made some strongly worded speeches about their concerns! What more do you want!!!!

smoking_kills

Nodin wrote: »

PR - its easy to make an unacceptable offer, have the others reject and then claim that its them being difficult. As these talks don't involved the UN, its not exactly a level playing field.

The fact is that they keep expanding existing settlements in the West Bank and in and around Arab East Jerusalem. That's an aggressive act that inflames the current situation and makes the solution harder in the long term.

Did you read the article I posted?

Yes i did, and makes no difference, only documents the last 10 years. What about all the previous rejections of a Palestinian state? The UN were involved in earlier discussions as well you know, they were rejected as well.

And as i said, i have no idea why they are expanding existing settlements in the West Bank.