Archie D Bunker wrote: » All I see here is a conspiracy theory, and no link that proves anything. I wasn't arguing about the fact that the Palestinians have ****ty infrastructure and ****ty lives, I'm just arguing that it is their fault for investing everything they have in fighting Israel instead of bettering their citizen's lives.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Just out of curiosity - can you show me what land the Israelis grabbed in the west bank to compensate for the land they gave up in Gaza? (I do expect it to be lets say, at least 10% of the area of Gaza that was handed over to the Palestinians)
WakeUp wrote: » do you think the Israeli shelling of a hospital is a warcrime ??.
gctest50 wrote: » How about Hamas shelling a nuclear plant ?http://rt.com/news/171760-hamas-dimona-nuclear-rocket/
gctest50 wrote: » Could be Hamas ?
WakeUp wrote: » What is Phuckin wrong with you people? are you serious? Hamas shelled the hospital? seriously wtf is wrong with some of you people it's a bit disturbing actually.
gctest50 wrote: » Could be Hamas ? At this stage they should be working on DNA based weapons to sort them out for once and for all
gctest50 wrote: » not much wrong with me, thanks for asking though anyways, yip, old trick to get the people behind the actions of the few
Archbishop Desmond Tutu said: "If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." There are not two 'equal' sides to report on in this horror. No two sides to take, when four children are blown up as they play football and hide-and-seek on a beach. No two 'equal' sides when disabled women are killed in their hospital beds. Nor when nine people's lives are taken as they watch a football match, or when a five-month-old baby dies in his mother's arms, after being hit by Israeli artillery. Is there a need for 'balance' when a rehabilitation hospital for spinal injuries is completely levelled or when a massacre of over 80 people takes place in Gaza's Shuja'iya district? - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/the-world-cannot-stand-idly-by-as-this-slow-terrible-death-in-gaza-continues-30448624.html#sthash.vMC7AO09.dpuf
This injustice is worsened by the tendency of world powers to exonerate Israel from its crimes. Some commentators operate from the assumption that "if only the rockets would stop, everything would be okay". Well the rockets did stop. After the deal that ended Israel's last attack on Gaza in 2012, the firing of rockets from Gaza fell to their lowest level in 12 years. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, by his own admission, acknowledged in a recent speech that Hamas had not fired any rockets in the 18 months since Operation 'Pillar of Defence' ended in a ceasefire. Yet this 'ceasefire' applied to the Palestinian side only. During this time Israel continued killing in Gaza, maintaining the illegal siege, repeatedly shooting farmers and harassing fishermen. - See more at: http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/the-world-cannot-stand-idly-by-as-this-slow-terrible-death-in-gaza-continues-30448624.html#sthash.vMC7AO09.dpuf
WakeUp wrote: » DNA based weapons to sort them out? please elaborate on that for me.. you sociopathic headbanger.
gctest50 wrote: » That's not very nice
WakeUp wrote: » do you think the Israeli shelling of a hospital is a warcrime ??
WakeUp wrote: » Most certainly a warcrime. Hamas are knuts for indiscriminately firing rockets which I've stated many times I've zero time for that sort of thing.
FTA69 wrote: » You don't think it matters that the vast majority of the West Bank is under military occupation and that Palestinian control extends only to large population centres, or in effect the place has been entirely cantonised?
FTA69 wrote: » Wrong, wrong and wrong again. The water supply and aquifers in the West Bank are under the exclusive control of Israel. Supply is sporadic because of direct Israeli policy, not Palestinian lack of investment.
FTA69 wrote: » Are you off your nut? Settlements expand due to the IDF seizing a part of land due to "security concerns", settlements then expand on the back of them. This is an ongoing process. The continued territory seizure and process of house building is a state sponsored activity backed by Netanyahu himself. Settlements in East Jerusalem are springing up on an increasing basis.http://forward.com/articles/186796/israel-approves-construction-of--new-settlemen/ Furthermore, all settlements are illegal under international law.
FTA69 wrote: » Total and utter nonsense as usual. Every single day, large numbers (thousands) of young men smuggle themselves through the barrier to work as day labourers in Israel. They dig tunnels, cut fences, hide in the boot of cars or else get smuggled in by Palestinians with Israeli citizenship. If the barrier doesn't keep out 18 year old hod carriers it sure as f*ck won't keep out a determined militant organisation. The barrier illegally annexed 10% of the territory.
FTA69 wrote: » To be honest mate it's clear you've never been to the West Bank and you';ve very little understanding of what goes on there.
WakeUp wrote: » Tell me about these DNA weapons and I'll think about withdrawing that comment..what did you mean when you said that?..
Red Nissan wrote: » Weapon specialists are already working on DNA weapons and have been for a while. We are all familiar with the personal weapon imprint so only one persona can actually fire that. Small arms rounds or in reality small missiles are in development that can go around corners and over walls and explode. DNA targetting has been available in chemical weapons for a while but these are not small arms delivery.
WakeUp wrote: » So Israel shelling a hospital deliberately war crime or not? what say you?..or are you another one of these IDF apologists suffering from a touch of cognitive dissonance? please prove me wrong there has to be at least one of you that can. Warcrime or not?..
Archie D Bunker wrote: » If rockets were stored in the hospital, or if rockets were fired from it (or the immediate area), or if any other terrorist activity was being performed there, and if sufficient warning was given - the hospital is a legitimate target and it is not a war crime. By the way - the fact that the Hamas leadership is hiding under a hospital - that's a war crime.
WakeUp wrote: » So it's the fault of Hamas again? are any of you people capable , even one , of telling how it is? just one of you?..
A child and three women, one of them pregnant, have been killed in airstrikes on Gaza say medics,
It came as the number killed in the 15-day conflict passed 560 people, including nearly 100 children.
Archie D Bunker wrote: » Exactly, It is the fault of Hamas. Finally, you are beginning to understand. Hamas have already admitted that they want more Palestinian civilians dead as an effective way to fight the occupation (propaganda) and that's why they instructed the civilians to stay in areas about to be shelled.
NewCorkLad wrote: » How long is sufficent time for a hospital to evacuate I wonder. A hosptal should never be a legitimate target that is just sick. And yes I beleive Hamas hiding in the hospital is also sick, if they were hiding there. But the actions of Hamas does not defend the actions of Israel against the helpless doctors, nurses and patients in the hospital
bumper234 wrote: » So you are advocating genocide? :eek:
I am against the occupation of the west bank, but I do understand Israel not hurrying to hand it over to the Palestinians after the lesson they learned when they left Gaza.
Israel supplies to the Palestinian Arabs in Judea and Samaria 46 million cubic meters (MCM) a year more water than Israel is obligated to under the Oslo Accords. Feel free to check.
If you would have bothered reading through the link you provided, you would have been able to see that the new build is in areas which, and I quote “Israel says it intends to keep in any peace deal with the Palestinians”.
That was the case before the wall. Not anymore. People still smuggle themselves to Israel but not in such volumes.
I’ve been to Israel many times, I’ve even been to the west bank & Gaza several times (as a child, before the first uprising). I have family members living in Israel and I visit there frequently. I probably know about Israel more than most of the people on this forum, from experience.
