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Toaiseach intervenes in Brooks debacle.

Happyman42

Interested in views on this, has Enda set a massive precedent here?

I think it is a fairly sinister development.

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Godge

Happyman42 wrote: »

Today.ie by their own admission just gather news from other sources

Correct what exactly? That the Indo are as usual exaggerating to suit their own agenda here? I never claimed that their where no forgeries, my objection was to the slanting and bias in the 'reporting' of it.

No, you claimed there was no investigation and the Indo were the only source (and by implication were making it up). Ciaran Cuffe, one of those whose signatures was checked by the gardai confirmed the investigation to RTE.

Now, if you don't believe RTE and a former Green Minister, as well as the Indo, then stick to your guns.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Show me an article from another newspaper that doesn't either directly quote the Indo story or other 'reports'.
What has the Garda pres office said about it? Can you point to a source there that says a 'major investigation' is underway?

If the Indo is making stuff up, invariably the sentence will begin with 'Sources say....'

On here we ask people to name or link to the 'Sources' for their claims otherwise you get get called on it.

See that is your post which is incorrect and which unfairly attacks the Indo.

Happyman42 wrote: »

Where does he say 'he was afraid' to name who contributed?

As I say, you got owned by the slant.

Who said he was afraid to name who contributed.

All that was said was that he refused to name them.

raymon

The mediation meeting has been called off thanks god !

Please let this fiasco end now

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0710/629717-garth-brooks/

Now Enda - keep out of it

And Fianna Fail - keep your hilbilly gombeen noses out of it too . Especially you Dooley

Sinn Fein - I hate to agree with you - but you are correct there is a war in Gaza , surely this is of more importance than a fat cowboys concert

Let the fat cowboy play the three dates or not .Its up to him

Tabnabs

Two Guards just took a statement from me to verify my #GarthBrooks objection. I don't know whether to laugh or cry

What a fcking waste of Garda time and resources... :rolleyes:

Happyman42

Godge wrote: »

No, you claimed there was no investigation and the Indo were the only source (and by implication were making it up). Ciaran Cuffe, one of those whose signatures was checked by the gardai confirmed the investigation to RTE.

Now, if you don't believe RTE and a former Green Minister, as well as the Indo, then stick to your guns.

See that is your post which is incorrect and which unfairly attacks the Indo.

I did not say there was no investigation, I merely objected to the sensational reporting of it as if it was a major fraud, there is nothing to suggest that. If you could interpret properly it would stop these threads getting bogged down.

Can you point to a source there that says a 'major investigation' is underway?

The story is being exaggerated and sensationalised to suit an agenda, behaviour the Indo have been guilty of for years on behalf of big business

Who said he was afraid to name who contributed.

All that was said was that he refused to name them.

Apologies, I was flitting between 3 threads and it was said on another one.

gandalf

Permabear wrote: »

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For those inside Ireland and who are able to get refunds the chances are they will spend the money elsewhere, maybe not in Dublin so it is a loss to the Dublin economy but not essentially a loss to the Irish economy.

With regard to the 70,000 I would hazard a guess that the vast majority of those are from Northern Ireland and they tend to bus down to concerts here and bus back straight away so they spend hardly anything.

As for future events once the whole licensing issue is cleared up and promoters do not push events until they have a license then I don't see an issue with future events.

Happyman42

raymon wrote: »

The mediation meeting has been called off thanks god !

Please let this fiasco end now

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0710/629717-garth-brooks/

Now Enda - keep out of it

And Fianna Fail - keep your hilbilly gombeen noses out of it too . Especially you Dooley

Sinn Fein - I hate to agree with you - but you are correct there is a war in Gaza , surely this is of more importance than a fat cowboys concert

Let the fat cowboy play the three dates or not .Its up to him

Hopefully they have talked the cowboy down of his high horse and the 3 concerts will go ahead, without destroying the integrity of our laws.

Permabear

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For Reals

Kenny should resign. He's embarrassing the country. Any politician worth his or her salt should steer well clear of this national embarrassment. It's not even news worthy abroad aside from Britan where it's just fodder for laughing at the stupid Irish.
At the end of the day a few concerts were cancelled. If the council relent, breaking rules already in place so the GAA, a 'musician' and promoter can make more piles of money, they should be dissolved.

raymon

Permabear wrote: »

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I agree . This has nothing to do with his weight , hat , or music.

Political interference in planning matters is the issue.

Godge

raymon wrote: »

I agree . This has nothing to do with his weight , hat , or music.

Political interference in planning matters is the issue.

NIMBYism in planning matters is the real issue.

Happyman42

Godge wrote: »

NIMBYism

What would you say the basis for objections in 90% of planning applications is?
People whose quality of life is affected by a development or event. Give a cutesy wee name if you like but there is nothing unusual about people using their rights to object.
Would you withdraw everybody's right to object just because there is a profit to be made?

raymon

Godge wrote: »

NIMBYism in planning matters is the real issue.

I have no problem with anyone objecting to anything in their back yard

I have a problem with politicians interfering with processes that are none of their business.

raymon

This is the root of the issue : FF politician loves GB . Convinces FF to put pressure on Enda.

Fr. Ned

Seriously folks, has this country gone stone mad???????

The first 12 minutes on the national broadcaster's main news programme is about this absolute joke of a act and his dealings with DCC.
It's the main topic in the banana republic's Dail...

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in this place, a joke too far.

Hang your head in shame, Ireland.

oppenheimer1

Tabnabs wrote: »

What a fcking waste of Garda time and resources... :rolleyes:

Just an aside, you have to wonder why he'd be objecting. The concerts would have no effect on him, living as he does about 4km from the stadium.

eddyc

For Reals wrote: »

Kenny should resign. He's embarrassing the country. Any politician worth his or her salt should steer well clear of this national embarrassment. It's not even news worthy abroad aside from Britan where it's just fodder for laughing at the stupid Irish.
At the end of the day a few concerts were cancelled. If the council relent, breaking rules already in place so the GAA, a 'musician' and promoter can make more piles of money, they should be dissolved.

Could you imagine if David Cameron were to get involved in something like this? I suspect he'd be asked to take a psychiatric examination. But for some people here this is acceptable behavior for a prime minister.
I voted for Fine Gael, I've heard a lot of criticisms of them in regards to austerity measures but I have still given them my support, in a 'sure the others are worse' kind of way.

But right now, I'm not actually sure that Enda Kenny knows what his job is, and worse, I'm not sure that a sizable chunk of the people in Ireland know what a prime minister is supposed to do.

oppenheimer1

Fr. Ned wrote: »

Seriously folks, has this country gone stone mad???????

The first 12 minutes on the national broadcaster's main news programme is about this absolute joke of a act and his dealings with DCC.
It's the main topic in the banana republic's Dail...

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen in this place, a joke too far.

Hang your head in shame, Ireland.

There are few other issues that affect as many people, so it's not surprising it's headline news. While the issues in say Gaza are more serious, we have to be honest and realise that people only care about things that affect them.

It's also summer time when there's a general lull in news content.

Shameful or not I don't know, but it's not surprising

Godge

Happyman42 wrote: »

What would you say the basis for objections in 90% of planning applications is?
People whose quality of life is affected by a development or event. Give a cutesy wee name if you like but there is nothing unusual about people using their rights to object.
Would you withdraw everybody's right to object just because there is a profit to be made?

raymon wrote: »

I have no problem with anyone objecting to anything in their back yard

I have a problem with politicians interfering with processes that are none of their business.

Let us get this straight.

I have no problem with people objecting to whatever they like.

What I do have a problem with is the way the planning system (and the political system more generally) listens to those who shout the loudest on issues like this e.g. what is Ciaran Cuffe doing objecting to this? And as a former councillor and T.D., did his views have weight?

You see it time and again with the Children's Hospital, with Luas extensions, with motorway development, with all infrastructural development.

Croke Park has been the national stadium of the GAA for nearly 100 years. Bar a few dozen residents still living in inherited family homes (who could have sold out if they wanted to) the rest of them knew what they were buying into. It is de facto the national stadium and always has been. It should be somewhere where there are 15-20 concerts per year as befits a national stadium. The GAA don't use it enough for the amount of taxpayer's money that went into it. Those are the considerations that Owen Keegan should have brought to his decision but didn't.

So, no, I have no problem with the objectors, I have a problem with the idiotic decisions made by Owen Keegan and his officials and also with the idiotic restrictions put in place by ABP.

oppenheimer1

eddyc wrote: »

Could you imagine if David Cameron were to get involved in something like this? I suspect he'd be asked to take a psychiatric examination. But for some people here this is acceptable behavior for a prime minister.
I voted for Fine Gael, I've heard a lot of criticisms of them in regards to austerity measures but I have still given them my support, in a 'sure the others are worse' kind of way.

But right now, I'm not actually sure that Enda Kenny knows what his job is, and worse, I'm not sure that a sizable chunk of the people in Ireland know what a prime minister is supposed to do.

Of there was an event that 5% of the UK population was attending and it was cancelled, I'm sure Mr Cameron would take at least a passing interest.

Actually as Cameron is a great man for the PR stunt over anything substantive, I'm sure he would.

raymon

Godge wrote: »

Let us get this straight.

I have no problem with people objecting to whatever they like.

What I do have a problem with is the way the planning system (and the political system more generally) listens to those who shout the loudest on issues like this e.g. what is Ciaran Cuffe doing objecting to this? And as a former councillor and T.D., did his views have weight?

You see it time and again with the Children's Hospital, with Luas extensions, with motorway development, with all infrastructural development.

Croke Park has been the national stadium of the GAA for nearly 100 years. Bar a few dozen residents still living in inherited family homes (who could have sold out if they wanted to) the rest of them knew what they were buying into. It is de facto the national stadium and always has been. It should be somewhere where there are 15-20 concerts per year as befits a national stadium. The GAA don't use it enough for the amount of taxpayer's money that went into it. Those are the considerations that Owen Keegan should have brought to his decision but didn't.

So, no, I have no problem with the objectors, I have a problem with the idiotic decisions made by Owen Keegan and his officials and also with the idiotic restrictions put in place by ABP.

I dont really disagree with you here.

But a planning decision has been made and any follow on planning matter is for planners.

Politicians should not get involved in planning matters. Politicians influencing planning matters is how Fianna Fail were able to harvest brown
envelopes for many years .

Let us not go back

Politicians make laws , other people enact the laws

Happyman42

Godge wrote: »

Let us get this straight.

I have no problem with people objecting to whatever they like.

.

Good, so stop attacking their rights to object then, with redtop hysterical terms like 'NIMBYism', you can't pick and chose based on those you agree with. People either have a right to object or they don't.

Little CuChulainn

Happyman42 wrote: »

Good, so stop attacking their rights to object then, with redtop hysterical terms like 'NIMBYism', you can't pick and chose based on those you agree with. People either have a right to object or they don't.

I don't think people have a particular objection to the right to object. Personally I have an issue with the fact that such a small group objected on behalf of so many who did not agree with them. I also have an issue with their claims on the effects of the concert on them. This is a Garth Brooks concert, not exactly the kind of event that attracts crowds of vomiting, urinating yobs. I have an issue with the guy leading the charge not even being from the area. I have an issue with the clearly arbitrary decision of the licence.

I think this is a massive stain on the reputation of both Dublin and Ireland. This was to be a major event to kick of the return tour of a massive name. It would have been a chance to show people how great Ireland can be. You can be sure the streets of Dublin would have been cleaned up for the event. Think ahead to future events. Imagine if Ireland went ahead to bid for hosting the Euros with Scotland? Do you think this farce would not be a big black mark for the bid?

And that's to say nothing of the hit on the economy which goes beyond people spending money in shops in Dublin. This is the kind of boost people need. It is most certainly something the government should be involving themselves in as it effects about 10% of the country as ticket holders alone.

Fr. Ned

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

There are few other issues that affect as many people, so it's not surprising it's headline news. While the issues in say Gaza are more serious, we have to be honest and realise that people only care about things that affect them.

It's also summer time when there's a general lull in news content.

Shameful or not I don't know, but it's not surprising

It certainly suits FG to have something else in the news other than their dodgy dealings and state board stuffing that's been going on for the last few weeks as ministers prepare to be shuffled out or moved to lucrative positions in Europe ok.

This place is a joke, bring back the troika.

John_C

If Bertie were still in power he'd have sorted this by now.

Little CuChulainn

John_C wrote: »

If Bertie were still in power he'd have sorted this by now.

There'd be no issues having it in the Bertie Bowl

Happyman42

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

There'd be no issues having it in the Bertie Bowl

To be quite honest I never did understand why the GAA didn't go for a green field site when they had the chance.
The restrictions and hassle in where they are must be a daily drudge.

Permabear

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Happyman42

Permabear wrote: »

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In fairness I think Garth's press conference doomed his 'game'. People now know what his 'game' is. His quote...'Just get your law in order and say yes' is all over facebook with a lot of angry 'Please do the proverbia'l comments.

The Lord Mayor had lost the will to fight on Prime Time too.
I admin two pages and his press conference has brought a whole raft of people out to comment who weren't bothered before. Otherwise known as shooting yourself in the foot.

'Game' is up I'm afraid.

Rubberchikken

Course it makes a lot of sense for the govt to get all upset over some concerts. This in a country that has thousands of citizens at the end of their rope with financial worries, justice official (gardai, ministerial dept, ) that needs a thorough overhaul, laws attempting to be brought in to gag media. I could go on.

But lets have our taoiseach try to sort out some concerts before he heads off on hols. Job done!

Cantremember

John_C wrote: »

If Bertie were still in power he'd have sorted this by now.

A dig out perhaps. Or he could hide in the cupboard.