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Big Joe Joyce

Thelonious

Big Joe Joyce, in my opinion is a man to be respected. He is known in all corners of the country. He has appeared on My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding.

How does this man not have a Wikipedia page? He is perhaps the finest of all bareknuckle fighters in Ireland.

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Knob Longman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1x05UPZ-6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdLo6ltIrp4

Absolute Gold...

Tail Docker

Valuev is a big lad, eh? I bet he never smoked as a kid.

Tokarev

I travelled a few places around the world.

But the best place is good aul Ireland.

I love home.

Knob Longman

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/325/9/3/big_joes_davy_joyce_by_shotakotake-d4gufxm.jpg

Check this drawing out. Its class..Someone has a lot of time on their hands, The Simey/Davy Joe videos have turned those lads into internet super stars...Shíte in the bucket, Thats it !!

Lucifer MorningStar

2.25 - 2.40 pure gold

mikeym

I would have loved to have seen Big Joe Joyce fight Conor McGregor.

WilyCoyote

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

We're talking about the bareknuckle guys here.

Like I said they can box but trained boxers they ain't.

But you can see the attraction ........ if you want a bit of rough, girls

http://www.petpalacez.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/boxer-dogsboxer-information-and-pictures-boxers-wr4vpfmo.jpg

CrinkElite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuW2Gau9ZdE

These lads are hilarious. They got a response too.

wretcheddomain

Thelonious wrote: »

How does this man not have a Wikipedia page?

It'll be a sad day for Wikipedia the second Not-so-Big Joe Joyce has a page.

urabell

Racist thread is racist, they're people too you know

wretcheddomain

urabell wrote: »

Racist thread is racist, they're people too you know

First, Travellers are not a "race" - it's a way of life.

Second, they are people, you're right, and I'm glad we all learned something of novel intrinsic value tonight.

Third, whether or not they identify as part of a community is their own choice, but if anyone goes to YouTube to instigate violence then they're worthy of condemnation.

urabell

wretcheddomain wrote: »

First, Travellers are not a "race" - it's a way of life.

Second, they are people, you're right, and I'm glad we all learned something of novel intrinsic value tonight.

Third, whether or not they identify as part of a community is their own choice, but if anyone goes to YouTube to instigate violence then they're worthy of condemnation.

First,
race
reɪs/
noun
noun: race; plural noun: racesa group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.

Second, getting clever with someone only works if your first point isn't completely wrong.

Third, part of a long standing cultural tradition and it doesn't effect me so I try not to judge.

wretcheddomain

urabell wrote: »

First,
race
reɪs/
noun
noun: race; plural noun: racesa group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.

Second, getting clever with someone only works if your first point isn't completely wrong.

Third, part of a long standing cultural tradition and it doesn't effect me so I try not to judge.

They share the same history, culture, and language as the rest of the Irish people, didn't you know? I can certainly recognise calling them a minority group in society but going so far as differentiating themselves from the rest of the Irish people as a distinct "race" is beyond nonsense.

So I infer from your last point that given that female genital mutilation is part of the cultural tradition of parts of sub-Saharan Africa, then you approve of it? Since when did using YouTube become a "long standing cultural tradition" by the way?

Moreover, you're saying that if a non-Traveller were to engage in this type of hatred then it would be bad, but if a person who self-identifies as a Traveller, then it's kosher.

Amirani

urabell wrote: »

First,
race
reɪs/
noun
noun: race; plural noun: racesa group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group.

Second, getting clever with someone only works if your first point isn't completely wrong.

If we're going to be pedantic about things, how exactly is this thread racist? Does it display prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against the travelling community, or against a few people who like to punch each other in the head? As far as I can see, it's been limited to the later.

Getting clever with someone only works if your first point isn't completely wrong etc...

Seaneh

wretcheddomain wrote: »

First, Travellers are not a "race" - it's a way of life.

People who actually understand this issue disagree with you.

Ethnicity/Race/Who cares, they have a distinct culture, history and identity to the settled community.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/oireachtas-group-calls-on-state-to-recognise-traveller-ethnicity-1.1765065

urabell

Diego Simeone wrote: »

If we're going to be pedantic about things, how exactly is this thread racist? Does it display prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against the travelling community, or against a few people who like to punch each other in the head? As far as I can see, it's been limited to the later.

Getting clever with someone only works if your first point isn't completely wrong etc...

Your word so I'm going to assume you know it's definition.

Amirani

urabell wrote: »

Your word so I'm going to assume you know it's definition.

I do. And I ask the question again - has that ire and antagonism been directed at the travelling community or at some people who like to break the law by wilfully punching each other in the head - specifically Joe Joyce?

Criticising the behaviour of a minority travellers who choose to engage in illegal activities is no more racist than criticising the minority of Muslims or Chechens that choose to blow people up.

wretcheddomain

Seaneh wrote: »

People who actually understand this issue disagree with you.

Ethnicity/Race/Who cares, they have a distinct culture, history and identity to the settled community.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/oireachtas-group-calls-on-state-to-recognise-traveller-ethnicity-1.1765065

People keep using these words, "distinct culture, history and identity", can you please tell me what, in real terms, this actually means?

It's nice and poetic and would fit neatly into a stanza, but provide more substantial evidence of this because it doesn't appear too readily to my eyes.

urabell

Diego Simeone wrote: »

I do. And I ask the question again - has that ire and antagonism been directed at the travelling community or at some people who like to break the law by wilfully punching each other in the head - specifically Joe Joyce?

Read through the thread again, take note of all the posts about people other than Joe Joyce, then when you've a grasp on the situation I'll deal with any points you might like to make.

Knob Longman

CrinkElite wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuW2Gau9ZdE

These lads are hilarious. They got a response too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXzvuKBUQTw

Davy Joe comes out with a classic in this..:cool::cool:

Amirani

urabell wrote: »

Read through the thread again, take note of all the posts about people other than Joe Joyce, then when you've a grasp on the situation I'll deal with any points you might like to make.

Most seem to be quoting or paraphrasing bare-knuckle boxers who post videos on Youtube. A minority may have gone further than that, does that automatically make the thread racist? I don't believe it does.

urabell

KilOit wrote: »

Dumber than a bag of rocks, who wants to learn about that?

Insult

Birneybau wrote: »

Pretty easy to start a Wich-o-pedia page there yourself boss.

Impersonating their unique dialect

Our Year wrote: »

He is a legend.
I'd still fight him though, and I'd bate him.

Threats of violence

desultory wrote: »

I'd love to see half of those eejits fight a proper boxer, just to see them get the shíte knocked out of them thinking that they're hardy.

Ignoring the proud sporting tradition of the travelling community.

Mad4simmental wrote: »

That's a nice dag ya have der boss,

AND

It's gone.

Suggesting that they steal without proof, more impersonation

demanufactured wrote: »

Vermin

Res ipsa loquiter

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Most seem to be quoting or paraphrasing bare-knuckle boxers who post videos on Youtube. A minority may have gone further than that, does that automatically make the thread racist? I don't believe it does.

Tell me again this thread isn't racist

Iwasfrozen

Urabell if you have a problem with a post report it to the mods. Please don't derail the thread.

urabell

Oh look a traveller video nobody had posted yet, because it doesn't suit your agenda.

wretcheddomain

urabell wrote: »

Oh look a traveller video nobody had posted yet, because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Are you a Traveller yourself or something? You get remarkably defensive at the slightest disagreement.

Birneybau

Urabell alright.

urabell

wretcheddomain wrote: »

Are you a Traveller yourself or something? You get remarkably defensive at the slightest disagreement.

No, but if I was I'd be reluctant to tell anyone here.

Amirani

urabell wrote: »

Insult

Insulting to Joe Joyce - not racist

Impersonating their unique dialect

I wouldn't consider this to be unique, sounds like a lot of country accents to me, but I'm from Dublin so I'll give you this one I guess.

Threats of violence

Threats of violence against Joe Joyce - not racist

Ignoring the proud sporting tradition of the travelling community.

Aka illegal activity. Also it's a fair point, pro fighters would beat the crap out of them IMO - not racist

Suggesting that they steal without proof, more impersonation

I'll give you this one.

Res ipsa loquiter

Calling people who clearly engage in illegal activity vermin isn't racist. It's directed at Joyce and his ilk again - not racist

Tell me again this thread isn't racist

This thread isn't racist.

CrinkElite

urabell wrote: »

Oh look a traveller video nobody had posted yet, because it doesn't suit your agenda.

This isn't thread about travelers. It's about Joe Joyce and the bare knuckle boxing scene.

urabell

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Insult

Insulting to Joe Joyce - not racist

Why is he being called stupid? Because of his culture and his unique brogue, racial characteristics

Impersonating their unique dialect

I wouldn't consider this to be unique, sounds like a lot of country accents to me, but I'm from Dublin so I'll give you this one I guess.

So am I, I know what a traveller sounds like and so do you I assume that's why you gave me that point

Threats of violence

Threats of violence against Joe Joyce - not racist

If we ignore the reason forthe threats then yeah it's not racist, but aren't the alleged threats made by Mr Joyce on video the reason you think this thread is ok?

Ignoring the proud sporting tradition of the travelling community.

Aka illegal activity. Also it's a fair point, pro fighters would beat the crap out of them IMO - not racist

Many travellers are pros or ex pros.

Suggesting that they steal without proof, more impersonation

I'll give you this one.

You have too

Res ipsa loquiter

Calling people who clearly engage in illegal activity vermin is racist. It's directed at Joyce and his ilk again - not racist

His 'ilk' being the travelling community, the criminal activity alleged

Tell me again this thread isn't racist

Racist thread, which admittedly would be ok in my eyes if you'd just admit it