end of the road wrote: » SF or the water charge protesters have nothing to do with me, they might be happy with having a UK system thats fine, i'm not
Lemlin wrote: » Well I'd be more than happy with privisation. Take a cost I get nothing from away from the exchequer.
Lemlin wrote: » If any people are unhappy with the service, they can source a private well. That's what I'd be telling anyone who refuses to pay their bill also. If you want something, you pay for it.
end of the road wrote: » the cost you get nothing from will not be taken away from the exchequer. thats just not true, but if your happy with paying more for greedy private companies to proffit from the peoples water then thats fine, but i think people should oppose it by whatever means necessary not water, it must only be covered by general taxation and must be provided only by the state to ensure its extremely affordable at all times at all costs.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Problem is i think we get put in with the never pay these charges crowds, We can just clearly see what is coming down the line. And its not going to be pretty if it gets privatised, milked for profit and very little reinvestment to upgrade/run the service.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » Doesn't the regulator set the price?
end of the road wrote: » the cost you get nothing from will not be taken away from the exchequer. thats just not true, but if your happy with paying more for greedy private companies to proffit from the peoples water then thats fine, but i think people should oppose it by whatever means necessary
end of the road wrote: » if we do have one they will do nothing and just allow every price increase
Lemlin wrote: » Yes and none of them answered the question.
darkpagandeath wrote: » Then how do you know the rates will double ?
Uriel. wrote: » I know they will.
Lemlin wrote: » If any people are unhappy with the service, they can source a private well. That's what I'd be telling anyone who refuses to pay their bill also.
Lemlin wrote: » If you want something, you pay for it.
Tardful Slakerly II wrote: » It's farcical that people don't understand this, the naivety is shocking.
sligoface wrote: » I genuinely think most people who are in favor of this are simply those who can afford it. Especially when they are spouting about people 'not paying their way' and 'scabbing off the rest of society', calling the protesters thugs, etc. Nothing more than thinly veiled dole bashing. Does anyone really think that this shambles of a government and Irish Water is going to be providing you with anything more than a bill? Get a freakin clue. Your water will not be any better in five or ten years, it will just cost more. This is just paving the way for it to be privatised and we will have no say whatsoever in what we are charged (not that we do now, but it will be worse). As a recent college grad who is unable to get full time work, and is unable to avail of rent allowance due to unrealistic rent limits for the scheme, I rarely have anything left over after the rent and esb are paid and the bin is taken, even though I have no car, shop in Aldi, don't smoke, rarely drink. The only small luxury I have is the internet which you really need for jobseeking these days anyway. I can't afford this bill unless I get a job, it's just not possible. But my water, a basic resource needed for survival, should be cut off because I'm 'scabbing off the rest of society'? Well, that's not much of a society then is it? Not one I want to be a part of anyway. I mean does anyone really want to live in a country where the government will shut your water off if you don't pay an amount that you don't have and can't pay? Maybe I'll cancel my internet and get rid of my TV and TV license, so I can pay for my water. Oh wait, I'll still have to pay the 'broadcast fee' just for owning a laptop and smartphone. Okay then, I'll get rid of those. Now I can afford water. But it will be kind of hard to get a job now without a computer or internet so I'll still be on the dole 'scabbing off society'. Sorry, lads. We're still in a recession, but our government is heaping tax on vital services, charging us for 'improvements' we have yet to see, and some people are applauding this. I don't understand it. It's not about 'paying our way', it's about being lied to and coerced into giving our money away for the profit of private companies and investors. That is what those of us who are against the charge have a problem with. The Irish government, Irish Water, our bailout masters, bondholders, shareholders are the ones scabbing off society. Not the people who are resisting the water charge. Point the fingers at the real scoungers.
Tony EH wrote: » Of course it did.
Lemlin wrote: » Also, if a company did triple prices, the prices would be extortionate and people would merely move to private wells.
Sellecks_Tache wrote: » I wonder why we still bother with modern capitalist society and everything it entails. Water charges, TV licence, USC, PRSI, inflated motor tax, Property tax, Mandatory insurance premiums, all while revelling in an economy with 200 billion in National debt. Where is all this money going ?
Lemlin wrote: » The human right to water and sanitation states: Water can therefore be charged for. If people are unwilling to pay, it should be cut off as per any service. When I built a house, it was up to me to ensure it had a water supply and I pay for the maintenance of same. If others aren't willing to pay, they shouldn't be provided with the service.
Banjo String wrote: » Who forced you to build in a rural area, not connected to the mains btw? You remind me in the man who buys a house next door to the dump and complains constantly about the smell to the dump owners. You (prob) could have bought in an urban areas but you didn't. Get over it.
Tony EH wrote: » Can you use your crystal ball and tell us who's going to win the England match tonight? :pac:
Lemlin wrote: » My point is that paying for water is nothing new. Rural people have been doing it for years. I chose to build here but some have to live in sparsely populated areas out of necessity e.g. Farmers. I'd also point out I'm not complaining about anything. You and others are whinging about paying for a service which is provided. I got over water charges long ago. How about you get over it and pay your way too.
end of the road wrote: » he does pay his way, via tax
Lemlin wrote: » So you're making ends meet like most Irish people. If you're unhappy with the country and government, as a graduate you would have great prospects abroad so why not emigrate? Also, I'm tired of reading this bull about "private companies and investors". The anti water charge camp have no feasible argument to back up their point so they've created one about privatisation. Btw, you say who wants to live in a country where..... in any other country you will pay direct water charges.
Lemlin wrote: » My point is that paying for water is nothing new. Rural people have been doing it for years. I chose to build here but some have to live in sparsely populated areas out of necessity e.g. Farmers.
Lemlin wrote: » I'd also point out I'm not complaining about anything. You and others are whinging about paying for a service which is provided.
Lemlin wrote: » I got over water charges long ago. How about you get over it and pay your way too.
sligoface wrote: » I didn't say I don't want to live in a country where you have to pay for water, you completely twisted what I wrote. I said I don't want to live in a society where people think that a vital reource like water should be denied to those who can't afford to pay for it. In the US I paid for water. But the thing was... You could get a job to pay for it! Here there is no work and yet the government are trying to take money I don't have for something I cannot do without.
darkpagandeath wrote: » You can refuse to have a meter on your private property. People are fine with established utilities meters but many are not fine with these ones. I can't see how freezing would be an issue anyway if it’s that cold the whole pipe system would be frozen.
Banjo String wrote: » You keep coming back to this rural people have been paying it for years thing, that's the choice rural home owners made when deciding to live rural I'm afraid. To even up the score with city dwellers (such as Dublin) maybe a toll should be placed on your main road? If for no other reason than to even up the score. (Dubs halve been faced with no less than 3 tolled roads afaik) I mean they have been paying motor tax, fuel tax, and tolls. Well one might interpret that you are complaining about some folk 'not currently paying for their water' despite the fact they are through the current taxation model. It could be argued that city dwellers might actually be paying more than you, and therefore subsidising you through higher taxation (higher salaries, higher commercial rates greater density of population and so on) It sounds to me like you may well have accepted that you have to fund a water system (1600 per year) due to where you've chosen to live, much like I've accepted the hum of the N7 which is not too far from where I live (which was there when I bought) I am currently paying for my water too incidentally. I keep reminding you of this fact. (we can do this all day)
Jester252 wrote: » FYI we don't pay a water tax already. So stop pretending we do, Dublin says no.
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