Sleepy wrote: » I'd agree if it was supposed to be a rape scene but it's clear from the comments coming out from the production team that it wasn't supposed to be one. I'm fine with depictions of rape. It's a reality in both the civilised and less-enlightened parts of our modern world and would have been fairly rampant in the feudal history on which this series is largely based. What's irritating me is that a badly filmed scene is causing one of the most complex characters in the series to be looked at through the lens of a modern world where feminism's arguments that "no always means no" have been accepted as fact when in the real world of human relationships things aren't always black and white: sometimes "no" can mean "persuade me" or the "no, not here... oh **** it, I don't care any more" that was supposed to be being depicted in this scene.
Da Shins Kelly wrote: » That was my understanding of it. I don't think people would care so much if there hadn't been such an effort to make Jaimie seem like a guy with at least some redeemable, noble characteristics in the last season. He saves Brienne from being raped in a previous episode, and then comes back and rapes his sister? It just seems to veer a little from where they were taking that character.
K_user wrote: » My thinking too. Shes not in full control of anything yet. She's learning as she goes. Imagine what someone like Tywin would do with do with her army and dragons? She just isn't at that level yet. And she doesn't have a "home". Her migrating lifestyle is a major disadvantage. The logistics alone are mind boggling.
kryogen wrote: » It struck me when the guy told her dragons can never really be tamed, that since she is relying on her dragons basically to put the fear of God into people that it will probably be her undoing when she cant control them and they are full grown
K_user wrote: » But she is Targaryen and her ancestors did the same thing. They arrived with dragons and they put the fear of God in people. From an outsiders perspective, her family ruled the 7 kingdom's for hundreds of years, and the dragons died out. There is a rebellion and the Targaryens are all but wiped out. Only to have the last known family member show up with 3 dragons and the self belief to raise an army from nothing. We the viewers know how little real control she has, but those watching from a far would be extremely worried. And we have no idea how it will develop. Maybe she has hidden "warg" abilities like Bran, or maybe they are bred in a way that they can't hurt a human with specific Targaryen genes. Either way its a really interesting story arc. And things can't always go her way, this is GOT after all
Burt Macklin wrote: » I think I need to point out that the reason the rape scene pissed book readers off wasn't because it was graphic or horrifying (obviously there has been far worse atrocities committed in the books and show). The problem is that it is completely out of character for Jaime. It's established at various points that he hates rapists. He even lost a hand last season trying to protect Brienne from rape, so it makes absolutely no sense that he would do that. Just as he was starting to develop and change, the showrunners decide to devalue his character for shock value with no clear purpose.
bmwguy wrote: » I have always thought Dany and Bran will team up, he is a warg and can control the dragons. There will be alliances formed, just like Tywin is doing. Remember it was Ned that refused to kill Dany back in season 1, not sure if she knows that but maybe it will help with an alliance. Just my 2c, I am reading the books but I'm miles back in book 2, happier times when the Starks were all still alive (except for Ned). Defo going to forge ahead and get up to date after this series while waiting for 5, stupid exams getting in the way now. Great show by the way, havent been this gripped ever before, I've done some marathon box set sessions but never got invested like this before. Go team Dany, she was seriously hot last night in the battle scene. Needs more nakedness soon, hopefully Dario gets her in the sack. Jorah either, but cant see that happening
Precious flower wrote: » I never particularly liked Littlefinger to be honest, really his voice distracts me from the show, especially this episode his accent was really bad I thought. Overall, it wasn't a great episode. The rape scene was a bit weird too, I understand that in the last episode Jamie expressed his frustartion at Cersis distance towards him but to decide rape her? Jamie need to chill. I'm confused too, what is the language Khalessi speaking to the slaves and every slave place she comes across because in the episode she needed a translate from one of the girls about what the man was saying but then she could speak to the slaves and they could understand her? It can't be speaking Dothraki, so what is the other language she's speaking and how come every slave place she arrives at can understand her. Kind of loved how your man dealt with the fella on the horse, looked cool (poor horse though!).
bren2001 wrote: » Maester Aemon is a Targaryen as well. She is not alone.
Brendan Filone wrote: » Jamie probably didn't see anything wrong with forcing himself on her because he views Cersei as his. In his eyes seeing a friend or stranger potentially being raped by a group of men and wanting to stop that is a lot different than being rejected by your lover, and deciding to rape them. Just because he was against a rape in one instance, doesn't mean he isn't capable of the act himself. Just like he objected to killing Tyrion, he might be against killing his brother, but that doesn't mean he's against murder. You guys just don't have a very sound argument against Jamie ever raping someone.
Burt Macklin wrote: » Ok, since my original post I've read that the director intended for the Jaime/Cersei scene to be consensual at the end, which confuses the issue further. I still stand my original point, It looked a lot like rape to me and I still have to question what the showrunners were going for. Edit: Bacchus has basically summarized what I was trying to say on this a few posts above.
Wabbit Ears wrote: » I really dont know why everyone is saying it was rape. I didnt see it that way at all.
iamanengine wrote: » Was it just me or was Littlefingers accent different? Sounded way more Irish or something.
A Neurotic wrote: » Yeah, except just to clarify, in the real world, no means f*cking no. General attitudes to rape as revealed by commentary on this episode are worrying.
snausages wrote: » All that aside, this was my favourite episode of the new season. I liked the little 'interview' between the new upcoming King and Tywin. Joffrey was great but I'm glad he's dead, the show would have gotten stale with him in it much longer.
K_user wrote: » How about the general attitudes to murder, beheadings, cannibals, burning people at the stake, crippling kids, marrying off children...hell in episode 1 where Polliver mistakes Arya for the hounds plaything...accumulating in that wonderful scene where the young girl slowly drives a sword into a mans neck. A mans parts were sliced off last season, just for kicks. GOT is a tough world.
I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off.
A Neurotic wrote: » General attitudes to rape as revealed by commentary on this episode are worrying.
Pac1Man wrote: » Seriously, so what if it was rape? There has been rape scenes before and will be again. It's a TV show. Anyone offended by that should definitely not watch The Accused.
