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Pubs on xmas day

s14driftking

Why cant the pubs open today was in England a few yrs for xmas and always had a great day in the pub after the dinner.
If they were opened would u go for a few.

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catallus

Go to bed endoftheroad. It'll be ok tmrw

end of the road

Valetta wrote: »

Were any people / families worse off yesterday because all the pubs were closed?

yes, those who have nobody

Valetta wrote: »

I doubt it.

those who have nobody were

Valetta wrote: »

Were any people / families better off?

no, those who have nobody weren't

Valetta wrote: »

I would say most definitely.

those who have nobody weren't

Valetta wrote: »

Leave well enough alone.

give people the choice, legislation that employers can't force people to work or pay tripple time (for all industries) or else shut everything down bar the bare essential services, picking on 1 industry isn't fair.

Sir Arthur Daley

s14driftking wrote: »

Why cant the pubs open today was in England a few yrs for xmas and always had a great day in the pub after the dinner.
If they were opened would u go for a few.

There is a law that they cant, yes i would go for a few.

end of the road

mikeym wrote: »

If the pubs opened on Christmas day the kids would be dragged into them by their thirsty parents when they could be at home enjoying their presents.

or possibly been beaten and abused by the same parents, just because the pubs are closed doesn't mean all children have a happy christmas staying at home opening and enjoying presents with the parents not drinking, if your the type to drag the kids to the pub on christmas day if it was opened chances are your drinking to get drunk at home, the other side is that parents won't take their children to the pub even if it was open.

mikeym wrote: »

Face it Atheists if you have children you buy them toys for Christmas and you tell them a religious saint exists.

if i had kids i wouldn't, i'd tell them the truth, that because i love them so much i went out and worked hard to get them what they wanted for christmas, and i wouldn't give a **** who has a problem with me not telling them about father christmas

end of the road

catallus wrote: »

I don't mean to be churlish here, endoftheroad, but why do you have the idea that having the pub closed is antithetical to "moving forward"?

people describing or making out that those who wish for the choice to be able to go to a pub when they wish are raging alcoholics is one of the reasons why we will continue to bring in more nanny state laws that exacerbate the binge drinking problem, and why education in relation to alcohol will be minimal, so in that context what i said about moving forward is relevant

FameHungry

Get over it.

Sir Arthur Daley

Its the end of the road i think.

donutheadhomer

mango salsa wrote: »

Very true

My Dad used to own a pub beside the local Church
The Church had to move Midnight Mass back to 9pm because all the pub regulars went into Midnight mass really pissed and making a huge scene.
As well as that the Father might have spent his weeks wages in drink on Christmas eve and the Wife and Kids would almost literally starve over Christmas

yes that is how it should work - the wants of the majority should be determined by the badly behaving minority

Shout Dust

donutheadhomer wrote: »

yes that is how it should work - the wants of the majority should be determined by the badly behaving minority

Do a majority want pubs open on Christmas Day? I don't think they would

Shout Dust

end of the road wrote: »

what if you have nobody elses house to go to?

and? let them open when they want if they want

and screw those who have nobody, let them suffer alone, just as long as those with families are okay let the rest suffer alone with nobody.

do what we can? i don't see people protesting outside businesses that do open to allow their staff go home. those who don't want to work christmas day won't have to with legislation forcing employers not to force staff who don't want to work into working christmas day

Surely you can see the difference between a pub and a shop, I highly doubt the guards are called to break up fights in the local corner shop or people end up in hospital after dropping in to pick up a couple of apples. You've obviously never worked in a pub if you think legislation would work

Cienciano

Any argument to keep pubs closed on Christmas day seem to be the same argument to close them ever other day.

end of the road

Shout Dust wrote: »

Do a majority want pubs open on Christmas Day? I don't think they would

i'd say they would be of the opinion that people should be able to make the choice for themselves as their grown adults

donutheadhomer

Strumms wrote: »

That my be the origin of the law. To change it would need a compelling reason.

The only one I've heard so far is... "Because we want to" "it's religious oppression and my rights are being infringed" " I don't want to spend time with my family"

There is no compelling reason to inconvenience tens of thousands of hard working people out of a nice quite Christmas, a day off and I include the knock on effect of more gardai, hospital staff etc... So YOU want to go down the pub on one of the only 2 days a year that it's closed.... So ****in what... Unreasonable much ? . It's not all about YOU... Read a book about ducks... Or do something else that doesn't involve the few ****ing it up for the many... For ONE day..

it may also be the ONE day it is convenient to do all those things

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Strumms wrote: »

That my be the origin of the law. To change it would need a compelling reason.

The only one I've heard so far is... "Because we want to" "it's religious oppression and my rights are being infringed" " I don't want to spend time with my family"

There is no compelling reason to inconvenience tens of thousands of hard working people out of a nice quite Christmas, a day off and I include the knock on effect of more gardai, hospital staff etc... So YOU want to go down the pub on one of the only 2 days a year that it's closed.... So ****in what... Unreasonable much ? . It's not all about YOU... Read a book about ducks... Or do something else that doesn't involve the few ****ing it up for the many... For ONE day..

No the main argument is about choice, something which you can't address.

Shout Dust

hotmail.com wrote: »

No the main argument is about choice, something which you can't address.

Choice doesn't trump everything. I think it benefits society to keep them closed for the day. We don't have the choice to go out and buy ak47s for example, for the good of society.

catallus

What gets me about the babbling about choice in relation to this matter is that no-one is giving a second thought to the prohibitions which are there for opening hours every other day of the year; I must conclude it is yet another fallacious argument which shows up those who advocate the opening of pubs on christmas day as just being against it because it is a safe target.

Henlars67

catallus wrote: »

What gets me about the babbling about choice in relation to this matter is that no-one is giving a second thought to the prohibitions which are there for opening hours every other day of the year; I must conclude it is yet another fallacious argument which shows up those who advocate the opening of pubs on christmas day as just being against it because it is a safe target.

The thread title is 'Pubs on xmas day'. that is what the discussion is about.
If you want people to discuss the opening hours for every other day then start a thread on it.

end of the road

catallus wrote: »

What gets me about the babbling about choice in relation to this matter is that no-one is giving a second thought to the prohibitions which are there for opening hours every other day of the year; I must conclude it is yet another fallacious argument which shows up those who advocate the opening of pubs on christmas day as just being against it because it is a safe target.

they should be able to open whenever they want, no issue from me if that was to happen

end of the road

Shout Dust wrote: »

Choice doesn't trump everything. I think it benefits society to keep them closed for the day. We don't have the choice to go out and buy ak47s for example, for the good of society.

it doesn't "benefit society" as all the reasons given in support of pub closures on christmas day happen every other day of the year

feargale

end of the road wrote: »

it doesn't "benefit society" as all the reasons given in support of pub closures on christmas day happen every other day of the year

You seem to be unfamiliar with seasonal patterns of behaviour. Why don't you ask some of the professionals who have to try to help in picking up the pieces after Christmas? See the unnecessary deaths that occurred this xmas, including unlawful killings. How many of those would have been avoided if there were no drink in the equation?
What is it with Ireland that 363 nights of the year pubs open till midnight or thereabouts, while alcohol-free cafes and the like almost without exception close around six?

end of the road

feargale wrote: »

You seem to be unfamiliar with seasonal patterns of behaviour. Why don't you ask some of the professionals who have to try to help in picking up the pieces after Christmas? See the unnecessary deaths that occurred this xmas, including unlawful killings. How many of those would have been avoided if there were no drink in the equation?
What is it with Ireland that 363 nights of the year pubs open till midnight or thereabouts, while alcohol-free cafes and the like almost without exception close around six?

what is it with ireland that they have to bring in nanny state laws and restrictions in relation to a substance that doesn't work or solve any problem, and that they have to pick on a particular industry and bann it from trading on particular days while allowing other industries to trade? and for what its worth i don't buy the "seasonal pattern of behaviour" all i've said is if the pubs want to open christmas day they should be able to unless you bann all industries from trading christmas day. if they choose not to take advantage of it thats fine but all industries should be treated equally

hotmail.com

feargale wrote: »

You seem to be unfamiliar with seasonal patterns of behaviour. Why don't you ask some of the professionals who have to try to help in picking up the pieces after Christmas? See the unnecessary deaths that occurred this xmas, including unlawful killings. How many of those would have been avoided if there were no drink in the equation?
What is it with Ireland that 363 nights of the year pubs open till midnight or thereabouts, while alcohol-free cafes and the like almost without exception close around six?

The issue of drink isn't what is at stake...it is the forced closure of pubs on particular days.

The issue of the volume of drink being consumed is nothing to do with this argument and we've already shown that more drink is consumed when the pubs are closed.

So let's get real.

cmore123

They've had limited Christmas Day opening in the north for some years. The negative effect on society resulting from this has been zero. Few avail of it, but for those on their own it offers a nice chance to have a dinner and meet others also on their own.

Overall, opening in a free society is an excellent idea.