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The Game By Neil strauss

Steo1885

Hi guys, new to boards, just moved to dublin from mayo. read the game by neil strauss a few months ago and was wondering if anybody here has read it and what do they think?

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April O Neill II

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Becoming good with women is basically learning these traits and bringing them out of yourself.

So, is it learning them, or bringing them out in yourself? Which?

Czarcasm

Pen.Island wrote: »

Girls are in massive competition amongst themselves. They like to look better than other girls. Not the same as guys.

Are you suggesting that guys who make no effort should expect the same results as guys who make an effort with their physical appearance? That's a massive generalisation you're making about guys when the evidence says otherwise.

If the % of women that wanted to go home with someone was the same as guys then every woman would be going home with a fella every night.

Another spurious generalisation. Not as many men as you think aren't led by their dicks, and by that same token, I think you are seriously underestimating many women's libido, and overestimating many men's libido.

SV wrote: »

So then, the women who go out after spending hours doing themselves up to look lovely and yet reject advances off all men, regardless..what of them?

What of them? They just aren't interested in that particular man, and they haven't seen one that takes their fancy. The very same way as you would reject the advances of someone you weren't attracted to. Would you go home with someone you weren't attracted to? I wouldn't, and I don't think many men would either, unless of course they were more concerned about notching up numbers than they were about having fun with someone they found attractive.

and being honest, they're not that rare.

They're not, and neither are men who think that just because they make an effort, women should fall on their backs and open their legs for them.

That's where this PUA stuff goes to shìt, because it takes no account of the fact that people are individuals, with minds of their own, and you can play all the set scenario pieces over in your own mind as much as you want about how a situation SHOULD go and what a woman SHOULD say (Balaclava's rings and doors bullshìt earlier portrayed women as some empty, passive vessels that could just about muster a "Yes" while he waffled on, but really, if they were that naive, you wouldn't need all the waffle surely, and if they were that air headed, chances are you're not going to hold their attention long enough to finish your story!), but PUA fails to take account of the fact that every person is different, and so every situation is going to be different. This nonsense of "You do this and she'll say this", etc, I mean, it's like reading off a script. There's nothing natural about it and like any gambler that thinks they have a winning system - you really don't.

What you have are daft theories based on NLP pseudoscience that's been debunked since it's inception in the '70's.

Fools and their money though, and of course when you're desperate you're likely to believe any sort of bullshìt that gives you hope. PUA "gurus" know just how to sell it too - make it look like they're doing gullible fools a favour, who in turn believe that if it doesn't work for them, they're not trying hard enough and need to redouble their efforts.

A "system" with a 10% "success" rate (10 women out of 100) is still a system with a 90% failure rate, I'd consider that an abject failure, and I'd question the mindset of anyone willing to invest hard cash and time in being taught how useless they are, then taught how to fail properly using the "PUA system" - blame everybody else for their failure first, then blame themselves, but never blame the system, because they're told 10% achieve their goal.

"Alpha males take the red pill, beta males take the blue pill", what a load of cock, tbh about it. Dress it up how they like as pseudopsychology, it's just as insidious as a religion that indoctrinates gullible fools looking for hope and answers to their cries of desperation and deep seated insecurity.

April O Neill II

Zascar wrote: »

PUA talk is strictly banned on boards afaik, however I know several guys who have used the method and have done spectacularly well out of it.

Lemme guess, no luck with women. Then, adopt the book's advice, and suddenly find VS models presenting themselves to them.

Pen.Island

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Masturbation is a completely different topic/issue and involves porn etc. and can even delve into bigger issues. Not fair to bring it into this.

It's not.

The desire is there, then the porn starts.

pharmaton

Pen.Island wrote: »

Question, how often do women masturbate?

Can be sure as hell it's not as often as men.

I'm curious to hear the answer to this too

Talib Fiasco

Pen.Island wrote: »

Question, how often do women masturbate?

Can be sure as hell it's not as often as men.

Masturbation is a completely different topic/issue and involves porn etc. and can even delve into bigger issues. Not fair to bring it into this.

Pen.Island

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/

Question, how often do women masturbate?

Can be sure as hell it's not as often as men.

pharmaton

Pen.Island wrote: »

A mans sexual desire is waayyyyyyy higher than a womans. Women like sex, yes. But we're talking about on nights out and hooking up with people in clubs. Women aren't into that as much as men.

Women are probably more inclined to enjoy sex with someone they care about whereas casual sex wouldn't require the same level of connection. These are generalisations however and I'm sure there wouldn't be any shortage of willing women on the right night with the right person. (or that men don't appreciate or seek out emotional connections either)

Talib Fiasco

Pen.Island wrote: »

http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/06/turns-out-women-have-really-really-strong-sex-drives-can-men-handle-it/276598/

Pen.Island

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

It takes two to tango so that's not true. If it wasn't equal it'd be rape I'm afraid. Again women aren't as open as men are but that doesn't mean they don't want it. Girls who I know all talk about guys and sex as much as I do with my guy friends...it's no different.

http://www.webmd.com/sex/features/sex-drive-how-do-men-women-compare

Talib Fiasco

Pen.Island wrote: »

A mans sexual desire is waayyyyyyy higher than a womans. Women like sex, yes. But we're talking about on nights out and hooking up with people in clubs. Women aren't into that as much as men.

It takes two to tango so that's not true. If it wasn't equal it'd be rape I'm afraid. Again women aren't as open as men are but that doesn't mean they don't want it. Girls who I know all talk about guys and sex as much as I do with my guy friends...it's no different.

Pen.Island

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Show me some proof. I hate to be cliché but it's needed. Sex is a natural desire in every human being, regardless of gender. Why would women have less of a desire for sex if it's a simple need for every human. Sure men are more open in saying they want sex, society has made sex a taboo thing especially for women as they'll be labelled sluts if they are truly open about their sexual needs and desires, while a guy is labelled a 'lad' for having those same desires. That's just they way society is...but trust me women like and crave sex just as much as any guy out there. Why wouldn't they?

A mans sexual desire is waayyyyyyy higher than a womans. Women like sex, yes. But we're talking about on nights out and hooking up with people in clubs. Women aren't into that as much as men.

Femme_Fatale

SV wrote: »

So then, the women who go out after spending hours doing themselves up to look lovely and yet reject advances off all men, regardless..what of them?

Well I did say some women go on with that stuff, In my own case, since about the age of 14, it's for positive male attention. And I make no apologies for that! Dressing to impress other women is alien to me.

EoghanIRL

titan18 wrote: »

Did you just post this so we'd all lose the game.

God damnit ! I went so long .

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

It's a myth that this applies to women across the board; it only applies to a certain type of woman - usually very young.

So then, the women who go out after spending hours doing themselves up to look lovely and yet reject advances off all men, regardless..what of them?

and being honest, they're not that rare.

Talib Fiasco

Pen.Island wrote: »

Girls are in massive competition amongst themselves. They like to look better than other girls. Not the same as guys.

If the % of women that wanted to go home with someone was the same as guys then every woman would be going home with a fella every night.

Show me some proof. I hate to be cliché but it's needed. Sex is a natural desire in every human being, regardless of gender. Why would women have less of a desire for sex if it's a simple need for every human. Sure men are more open in saying they want sex, society has made sex a taboo thing especially for women as they'll be labelled sluts if they are truly open about their sexual needs and desires, while a guy is labelled a 'lad' for having those same desires. That's just they way society is...but trust me women like and crave sex just as much as any guy out there. Why wouldn't they?

Femme_Fatale

Pen.Island wrote: »

Girls are in massive competition amongst themselves. They like to look better than other girls.

It's a myth that this applies to women across the board; it only applies to a certain type of woman - usually very young.

Pen.Island

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Bullsh*t. We're all human. Girls don't spend hours getting ready, doing their make up to perfection and wear f*ck off heels that are death stilts just to 'dance' and 'have fun with friends'. 21st century my friend.

Girls are in massive competition amongst themselves. They like to look better than other girls. Not the same as guys.

If the % of women that wanted to go home with someone was the same as guys then every woman would be going home with a fella every night.

Talib Fiasco

Pen.Island wrote: »

Also how can you guage if someone is worth talking to just by looking at them? Sounds like you go for ones who you think you fancy and possibly ones who you think would like you back.

Attraction cannot be forced, it's natural. If I'm attracted to someone I will approach them. By talking to them and finding out about them more (personality etc.) I decide if I still find them attractive based on that. It's not too difficult to see that!

thegreatgonzo

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

"Charm" (i.e. manipulation) can work, unfortunately.

So can alcohol.

Femme_Fatale

Pen.Island wrote: »

Most of the lads I know who are succesfull with women are pricks (i.e couldn't give a **** about them).

"Charm" (i.e. manipulation) can work, unfortunately.

Femme_Fatale

Pen.Island wrote: »

Lads are more inclined to want sex though than a woman on a night out. Women prefer to know fellas longer before doing the deed imo. But if you ask a guy would he go home with a girl on a night out I would guess the percentage saying yes would be 90%+

I'm not saying it's wrong to take the opportunity if it arises, but not to make it the ultimate aim every time he goes out.

thegreatgonzo

Pen.Island wrote: »

Sounds like you go for ones who you think you fancy and possibly ones who you think would like you back.

Well who else would he approach???

Talib Fiasco

Pen.Island wrote: »

Lads are more inclined to want sex though than a woman on a night out. Women prefer to know fellas longer before doing the deed imo. But if you ask a guy would he go home with a girl on a night out I would guess the percentage saying yes would be 90%+

Bullsh*t. We're all human. Girls don't spend hours getting ready, doing their make up to perfection and wear f*ck off heels that are death stilts just to 'dance' and 'have fun with friends'. 21st century my friend.

pharmaton

Pen.Island wrote: »

But...if you are going out to "bag" someone, which is what most guys try/want to do on nights out you can't treat every girl like she's the only one there. You have to go into it with the mindset that if she doesn't like you, just brush it off and onto the next.

Btw I never try and pull on nights out but that's my problem.

no, I don't think it's healthy to put women on pedestals either. I can only speak from my own experience but for me it's not so much about putting them 'out of my league' so much as recognizing that they are in a different category, 'unavailable as in not attracted to women', arguably this makes life easier as it takes a lot of pressure out of the equation. It removes the element of rejection that men may have to deal with, it just means I don't take a womans lack of interest personally. (which many men do)

I would be aware of my surroundings though and maybe better adjusted when it comes to recognizing if there is anything available in my 'category', but I certainly don't go out with the expectation that there will be everytime.
Mostly though I just go out to be social and have a good time.
Maybe it's just down to expectations.

Pen.Island

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

But I don't approach a girl thinking 'oh yeah she's the one I wanna go home with tonight'. I approach girls who catch my eye and think are worth talking to. If I just wanted a f*ck from anyone I'd go to the dancefloor, find someone and take them home. But yeah I approach the girl because she's attractive to me naturally and I'm going to let her know that, how subtly or obvious depends on the moment...if I don't like her based on talking to her etc. I move on. I approach girls out of pure natural desire to be in their company and be part of their time and to enjoy myself. It's a natural thing. I don't go talking to them just so I can have sex with them, that's just an added benefit when it happens.

Also how can you guage if someone is worth talking to just by looking at them?

Sounds like you go for ones who you think you fancy and possibly ones who you think would like you back.

thegreatgonzo

Pen.Island wrote: »

Pick up on what?

Most of the lads I know who are succesfull with women are pricks (i.e couldn't give a **** about them).

Pick up on the fact that you are going from 1 girl to another until one eventually says yeah ok. It's not flattering.

It all depends on how you measure success though.

Pen.Island

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Yeh that's the healthy way to go about it. Going out with "Must have sex, must have sex" attitude every time one goes out - I've never understood (I emphasise "every" time one goes out; no harm in it the odd time - you can't help horniness). From men OR women. If sex happens, it's a happy bonus.

Lads are more inclined to want sex though than a woman on a night out. Women prefer to know fellas longer before doing the deed imo. But if you ask a guy would he go home with a girl on a night out I would guess the percentage saying yes would be 90%+

Femme_Fatale

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

But I don't approach a girl thinking 'oh yeah she's the one I wanna go home with tonight'. I approach girls who catch my eye and think are worth talking to. If I just wanted a f*ck from anyone I'd go to the dancefloor, find someone and take them home. But yeah I approach the girl because she's attractive to me naturally and I'm going to let her know that, how subtly or obvious depends on the moment...if I don't like her based on talking to her etc. I move on. I approach girls out of pure natural desire to be in their company and be part of their time and to enjoy myself. It's a natural thing. I don't go talking to them just so I can have sex with them, that's just an added benefit when it happens.

Yeh that's the healthy way to go about it. Going out with "Must have sex, must have sex" attitude every time one goes out - I've never understood (I emphasise "every" time one goes out; no harm in it the odd time - you can't help horniness). From men OR women. If sex happens, it's a happy bonus.

Pen.Island

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

But girls can pick up on that and it's a turn off.

Pick up on what?

Most of the lads I know who are succesfull with women are pricks (i.e couldn't give a **** about them).