[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Regulations will come into effect on March 1st 2014 and the Code of Practice to accompany them will, we understand be published by the Department in the coming months.
Open A wrote: » By the way, a debate about all of this stuff is just starting online.. Twitter: https://twitter.com/bregsforum Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pages/BRegs-Forum/717318874946169?fref=ts
kceire wrote: » How did you lodge a commencement notice with filling in the builders details in the space provided for? Whose name did you put down as a site contact? Sounds like you made a hash of the CN to be honest.
joeirish wrote: » Thanks for the very unhelpful comment.
kceire wrote: » I'm serious. How did you lodge a commencement notice weeks ago if you haven't got a builder selected? The builders details must go on the notice. You also have to give the details of the person that can be contacted about foundations. That's why I asked how did you lodge a CN when you haven't even got a builder selected?
joeirish wrote: » You have made various assumptions. Like the council wanted details of a builder. This is a self build project, with a timber frame house being bought, which includes foundations (subject to the ground being cleared first). The council must've been happy with the information I gave. Otherwise they wouldn't have issued the CN, would they? Anyway, that has nothing to do with my initial question. I have a CN, end of. So if you can add anything to my original question, then thanks. Otherwise there isn't really much for you to say, I'd have thought.
kceire wrote: » The council don't issue a CN. You lodge one with them. Giving them the details of your builder and on site contacts. Are you actually sure you have lodged a CN. What county are you in? Edit : so your on the Clare/Galway border. Clare County Council CN, that YOU must lodge to them - http://www.clarecoco.ie/emergency-services/forms/commencement-notice-form-1409.pdf Galway - http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/Planning/ApplicationForms/FilesTable/TheFile,10519,en.pdf
joeirish wrote: » Yes, I did lodge the CN and the council accepted it and sent me a letter saying that the CN is valid according to Article 9 of the Building control Regulations 1997. So yes you are technically correct that I lodged the CN but it is a useless document unless the council accept it. My point is that as they have accepted it there is no reason to keep on about whether it contained the right information or not. You seem to be trying to demonstrate that it was somehow not a proper CN. You seem more intent on proving some other point. So just to repeat, there is a CN, it has been accepted as valid by the council. Nothing more to add to that. Now can we move the discussion back to my original question?
Brave Harvey wrote: » I had a look at the Building control act 2007, I may give it another look but I think I may have to undertake a Professional Practice Exam!! I never heard of this, I have a Diploma max. and 4 and a half years supervised experience, don't know if that's recognized supervision. Any information on the above would be appreciated.
Open A wrote: » I'm afraid you are correct. There has been very little information put out there for people. Lots of people in your position and many others planning to build next year who are not aware that they will not be able to lodge a commencement notice Join the debate (started yesterday!)https://twitter.com/bregsforumhttps://www.facebook.com/pages/BRegs-Forum/717318874946169?fref=tshttp://bregsforum.wordpress.com/
sydthebeat wrote: » revised SI 80 published and, amended code for practise for assigned certifiers. first impressions when it comes to self builders, it refers to a Construction Industry Register Ireland Registration No. (where applicable).
Open A wrote: » These are the industry stakeholder amendments and haven't been agreed by the DECLG
Open A wrote: » Self-building to be phased out under the New Regulations:http://bregsforum.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/self-builders-to-be-phased-out-under-s-i-80-bregs/
Self-builders will be required under S.I.80, as clients, to employ a design certifier and assigned certifier (engineer/ architect/ building surveyor)- this is positive as it is unwise for a technically non-experienced person to undertake self-building without professional input. This should be welcomed as a positive development. If a client is going to be the builder, currently that’s fine- self-builders can nominate themselves (as long as they consider themselves to be ‘competent’ and as builders are currently unregistered this seems to work well for self-builders. The only persons precluded from operating as contractors are Architects. So, S.I.80 at the moment can only improve the quality of self-builds. However when a formal register of builders is introduced in 2015 self-builders will need to meet the criteria to become registered, or will be precluded from this role. The criteria more than likely is a minimum of 3 years relevant building experience, tax affairs in order, relevant insurances in place etc.So, in 12 months self-building will no longer be possible unless the self-builder is already an established experienced contractor, with their own insurances and tax-clearance documents etc. People who want to undertake works themselves are no longer able to do so. One unintended consequence of this is that rural landowners with some building experience who are capable of managing sub-contractors will no longer be able to inhabit this role- they will be forced down the more expensive route of appointing a main contractor to domestic or other projects that require planning permission (farm buildings, outhouses etc.)
martinn123 wrote: » Well written piece, however Self-Building is still ok until 2015 Remember these are still draft reg's not signed into law yet, and there are plenty of bodies still making observations.
Open A wrote: » You are absolutely right, but the Minister is expected to sign off on the current wording this week or next week. After that, we may be too late to do anything about it. I'm a contributor to the BRegs Forum, do you know any other bodies making observations? We are trying to add more voices to our call for postponement and amendment of the proposed regs.. Thanks!
But Minister for the Environment Phil Hogan cannot avoid dealing equitably with the wider issue of building control. The amended regulations made by him do not go far enough, as they leave architects or engineers exposed to personal liability by certifying that the buildings they have designed comply with the regulations in every respect. This is particularly unfair in the context of a building industry that remains largely unregulated, with only a commitment to introduce registration for contractors on a voluntary basis with a view to making it a statutory requirement in 2015 – if the Construction Industry Federation will agree. Widespread unease among architects about the way some believe they are being “hung out to dry” led to several former presidents of the Royal Institute of the Architects of Ireland (RIAI) to call an extraordinary general meeting of its members in Dublin tonight. What galls those involved is the apparent determination of the Department of the Environment to evade any responsibility on the part of the State or local authorities for failing to ensure that buildings are being built in compliance with the regulations, through regular inspections during the course of construction. This disgraceful evasion must end.
Open A wrote: » Its being discussed in a lot of places, but it seems like we are all being ignored...
Open A wrote: » I'm on the BRegs Forum online team. Trying our best to reach out to as many people and organisations as possible. People are starting to listen, but very slowly. Also, we've reached out to Phil Hogan directly. Might as well...
W123-80's wrote: » I understand somewhat the theory behind these new reg. It just seems over the top to completely stop self builders from doing just that. In any other walk of life I can pretty much do/make for myself what I want once it's legal and I operate to whatever standards are required. Why am I not allowed to build a house for myself? If I meet all regulations, have an engineer sign off that all requirements are met, why do I HAVE to employ a third party/middle man do do these checks for me. At the end of the day most contractors will sub contract. Why can I not cut the contractor/middle man out, meet all regulations and build my own house. It seems very unfair to me.
sydthebeat wrote: » the professionals know quite well whats happening... and as far as i can see it most are rebelling against it. however Big Phil sees this as his "smoking ban" moment and is not going to stray from his path, he is possibly the most stubborn of all ministers, judging by his track record.
