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POGAN

carzony wrote: »

so you'd only get 2 years out of a patrol car? surely you'd get a lot longer than that?.. Theres a 2003 yaris and 2001 corolla still doing the rounds here..

Well also think about it in 2011 when they where bought there wasn't a purchase of regular fleet since 2007 so there was a lot cars grounded and others redeployed. Regular car in district hq if it's the main patrol car would do savage mileage 18 to 20 hours a day covering large area taken the slack of cars that where gone.

There still is some cars older around wouldn't be out on the road that much so saving mileage like ie compol units for example

POGAN

carzony wrote: »

I never knew that.. So it would probably be cheap to buy police spec cars then? I'm assuming they'd last longer?

Yes but never happen Volvo xc70 are the only police spec aren't under the 300,000 grounding limit

donvito99

They should nip over to Australia (left hand drive, you see), buy some Falcons and Commodores, forget your XC70s.

carzony

POGAN wrote: »

Well also think about it in 2011 when they where bought there wasn't a purchase of regular fleet since 2007 so there was a lot cars grounded and others redeployed. Regular car in district hq if it's the main patrol car would do savage mileage 18 to 20 hours a day covering large area taken the slack of cars that where gone.

There still is some cars older around wouldn't be out on the road that much so saving mileage like ie compol units for example

The main cars must go through some amount of tyres, bulbs and servicing then:eek:..

I'd also hate to see the parts bill

POGAN

carzony wrote: »

The main cars must go through some amount of tyres, bulbs and servicing then:eek:..

I'd also hate to see the parts bill

Last time I saw 12 month figures for the AGS fleet on servicing n repairs it was at least €1 million a month = 12 million over a year at least

carzony

POGAN wrote: »

Last time I saw 12 month figures for the AGS fleet on servicing n repairs it was at least €1 million a month = 12 million over a year at least

That's some amount of work.. The mechanics must be delighted

kub

POGAN wrote: »

Last time I saw 12 month figures for the AGS fleet on servicing n repairs it was at least €1 million a month = 12 million over a year at least

All servicing done by main dealers of course, little wonder it costs so much.

BaronVon

I heard they've purchased 40 Hyundai's, not sure which model. Apparently they're not mad about them, but they were the lowest tender, so naturally they were bought!

In better news, I also heard they've made an agreement with Skoda to get in some Octavia's, not sure of the engine sizes, but I'd imagine the VRS models would be too much to hope for!

Old diesel

infacteh wrote: »

I heard they've purchased 40 Hyundai's, not sure which model. Apparently they're not mad about them, but they were the lowest tender, so naturally they were bought!

In better news, I also heard they've made an agreement with Skoda to get in some Octavia's, not sure of the engine sizes, but I'd imagine the VRS models would be too much to hope for!

If the main deal is (still) with Ford - nothing stopping them from getting in some of the new police spec Focus ST estate - that Ford were promoting in the Uk last year.

Personally given the way Ireland normally does business - I have visions of the Gardaí getting in Hyundais at a price that's dearer then what the Uk police would pay for a BMW.

Mind you i am probably showing too little faith in the Irish state system and being too negative in my assumptions lol.

What i have heard though through a Uk car forum is that the Uk police apparently do very good deals on the likes of BMWs - and that's why they are able to justify BMWs on the basis of overall package etc.

Suppose its too much to expect the same level of logic over here

kub

Am I correct in assuming that AGS/Dept Of Justice have to pay VRT and Vat on new patrol cars?

That is ridiculous considering they are paying tax payers money out, then paying tax on that tax money.

Also what is the point in taxing Garda cars, again another waste of time and money.

Capri

kub wrote: »

Am I correct in assuming that AGS/Dept Of Justice have to pay VRT and Vat on new patrol cars?

That is ridiculous considering they are paying tax payers money out, then paying tax on that tax money.

Also what is the point in taxing Garda cars, again another waste of time and money.

I wouldn't imagine they do - where'd be the logic in that

As for tax, look at the wording on the disc - EXEMPT ( Tho the Army don't have tax discs anymore, prevents theft of same

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/garda-who-could-barely-pay-for-food-stole-tax-disc-from-boss-29622803.html

......Judge Hugh O'Donnell heard that the tax disc was meant for an official garda motorcycle... He took the disc from his sergeant's office when the tax ran out on his own car....

Mr Simpson

As far as I'm aware VRT is paid, tax is exempt as above though

goldie fish

Mr Simpson wrote: »

As far as I'm aware VRT is paid, tax is exempt as above though

VRT and VAT is paid.

Mr Simpson

goldie fish wrote: »

VRT and VAT is paid.

Thats what I thought. Really clever thinking isn't it!

EireGun

infacteh wrote: »

I heard they've purchased 40 Hyundai's, not sure which model. Apparently they're not mad about them, but they were the lowest tender, so naturally they were bought!

In better news, I also heard they've made an agreement with Skoda to get in some Octavia's, not sure of the engine sizes, but I'd imagine the VRS models would be too much to hope for!

Interesting. The Toyota Land Cruisers (Prado) must be well over the 300,000km mark (whether or not they're subject to it?), they were bought in 2006 and 2007 and have serviced the Traffic Corps, Water/Mounted/K9 Units and a number of Detective units, so maybe there is some Hyundai Santa Fe SUVs? They are certainly not better than the Land Crusier if that's the case, but the Hyundai saloon and estate cars are not too bad to be honest, although dependent on which model they've opted for. A couple of unmarked Hyundai's would be welcome, though, considering the amount of unmarked cars being marked up!

The Skoda deal sounds much more promising. The Octavia's are solid cars, I used to own one myself, and with the Volkswagen engine it gives great mileage and little hassle. Can't help thinking the Gardai - or at least the Traffic Corps - require the high performance RS or vRS models, instead of bog standard family wagons.

This was spotted in Lucan, Dublin exactly one year ago...

POGAN

EireGun wrote: »

Interesting. The Toyota Land Cruisers (Prado) must be well over the 300,000km mark (whether or not they're subject to it?), they were bought in 2006 and 2007 and have serviced the Traffic Corps, Water/Mounted/K9 Units and a number of Detective units, so maybe there is some Hyundai Santa Fe SUVs? They are certainly not better than the Land Crusier if that's the case, but the Hyundai saloon and estate cars are not too bad to be honest, although dependent on which model they've opted for. A couple of unmarked Hyundai's would be welcome, though, considering the amount of unmarked cars being marked up!

The Skoda deal sounds much more promising. The Octavia's are solid cars, I used to own one myself, and with the Volkswagen engine it gives great mileage and little hassle. Can't help thinking the Gardai - or at least the Traffic Corps - require the high performance RS or vRS models, instead of bog standard family wagons.

This was spotted in Lucan, Dublin exactly one year ago...

Land cruiser go to 500,000km

D Trent

Is that a PSNI skoda superb estate? how are they allowed drive that on the M50/M4 in Dublin?

Mister Jingles

D Trent wrote: »

Is that a PSNI skoda superb estate? how are they allowed dive that on the M50/M4 in Dublin?

Nope, or well that reg is from across the sea anyway so I doubt it.

EireGun

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Nope, or well that reg is from across the sea anyway so I doubt it.

I think Gardai were actually driving it as a trial, supposedly it's plates were changed, but obviously not in this picture.

Terrontress

infacteh wrote: »

I heard they've purchased 40 Hyundai's, not sure which model. Apparently they're not mad about them, but they were the lowest tender, so naturally they were bought!

In better news, I also heard they've made an agreement with Skoda to get in some Octavia's, not sure of the engine sizes, but I'd imagine the VRS models would be too much to hope for!

In London the Met Police have been using Hyundai i30s for a couple of years and have recently bought new ones. It must be suitable for police work. Other cars the Met have recently bought are BMW x5.

[Deleted User]

Terrontress wrote: »

In London the Met Police have been using Hyundai i30s for a couple of years and have recently bought new ones. It must be suitable for police work.

Not going by what a lot of them say on twitter.

POGAN

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not going by what a lot of them say on twitter.

Might be better than yer avenais foreign;)

Terrontress

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not going by what a lot of them say on twitter.

any example?

Old diesel

Mr Simpson wrote: »

Thats what I thought. Really clever thinking isn't it!

Talk about stupidity - so one arm of the state (Gardaí) pay another arm of the state (revenue - I assume) VRT.

States not really gaining anything - except that valuable funds from the Garda budget go to revenue :rolleyes:.

And with no benefit to the state :rolleyes: - since the state is having to fund the garda cars - and that includes VRT.

I suppose it does answer a question I had in my mind - could you get the great deals I hear about that UK police get on BMWs - over here for BMW garda cars.

I guess that if VRT is being charged - the answer is no :rolleyes:.

Capri

Regarding any 'good' cars such as BMW's etc there'd 1) Be a media outcry over the cost, no matter how much discount was got 2) Managment might look at the accident stats for state vehicles and say that there's nobody fit in the force to be let drive good cars :eek: 3) Maintainence/repair costs for Skoda's/Hyundai's might be 50% less than BMW's so the bean counters get their way 4) IF there are good drivers out there, they'll get their target no matter what they're driving ( Murphy's law - if there's an Evo VII to be chased on the M50, the BMW 535 might be on the M9, are they to station BMW's in every division / station :rolleyes: )

There's a few Superbs / Estates in unmarked use for at least 1 year now, parked around Hatch/ Harcourt st's sometimes.

Maybe the UK Skoda got an exemption to be here - anyway, WHO'S going to object or pull it, it'll always be assumed it's got the go-ahead to be here :rolleyes:

Old diesel

Capri wrote: »

Regarding any 'good' cars such as BMW's etc there'd 1) Be a media outcry over the cost, no matter how much discount was got 2) Managment might look at the accident stats for state vehicles and say that there's nobody fit in the force to be let drive good cars :eek: 3) Maintainence/repair costs for Skoda's/Hyundai's might be 50% less than BMW's so the bean counters get their way 4) IF there are good drivers out there, they'll get their target no matter what they're driving ( Murphy's law - if there's an Evo VII to be chased on the M50, the BMW 535 might be on the M9, are they to station BMW's in every division / station :rolleyes: )

There's a few Superbs / Estates in unmarked use for at least 1 year now, parked around Hatch/ Harcourt st's sometimes.

Maybe the UK Skoda got an exemption to be here - anyway, WHO'S going to object or pull it, it'll always be assumed it's got the go-ahead to be here :rolleyes:

Writing off a BMW (imo) is no different to writing off a Mondeo - the results the same. And bear in mind while - everyone thinks of big 530ds when they think of BMW police cars (due to the Uk police using said 530ds for traffic) - BMW have more cars in their range then simply 530ds.

You have the option of stuff like 320d or 520ds for example - for normal non traffic type work.

And leaving aside BMWs for a moment - there really isn't justification for a 1.6 tdci Focus for traffic corps use.

Even if you have to stay mainstream - there are other options available - Ford themselves offer stuff like the 1.6 ecoboost 180 ps turbocharged petrol.

Skoda do the VRS as mentioned and even something like a 170 tdi yeti can move a bit - and would have 4wd.

Yeah I know the Yeti isn't the first car to spring to mind as a Garda car - but I would say that on paper it could have potential.

Boots probably a bit small though - compared to the Focus estate.

And if Mazda have finally figured out how to make a diesel engine that doesn't break every 80,000 miles* - then the new 6 is a potential option too.

*the later 2.2 is supposed to be better then the original 2.0 commonrail turbodiesel - and im told the 2.2 on the new 6 is a completely new engine anyway. Could take one on trial - work it hard and see how it gets on.

Mister Jingles

Old diesel wrote: »

Writing off a BMW (imo) is no different to writing off a Mondeo - the results the same. And bear in mind while - everyone thinks of big 530ds when they think of BMW police cars (due to the Uk police using said 530ds for traffic) - BMW have more cars in their range then simply 530ds.

You have the option of stuff like 320d or 520ds for example - for normal non traffic type work.

And leaving aside BMWs for a moment - there really isn't justification for a 1.6 tdci Focus for traffic corps use.

Even if you have to stay mainstream - there are other options available - Ford themselves offer stuff like the 1.6 ecoboost 180 ps turbocharged petrol.

Skoda do the VRS as mentioned and even something like a 170 tdi yeti can move a bit - and would have 4wd.

Yeah I know the Yeti isn't the first car to spring to mind as a Garda car - but I would say that on paper it could have potential.

Boots probably a bit small though - compared to the Focus estate.

And if Mazda have finally figured out how to make a diesel engine that doesn't break every 80,000 miles* - then the new 6 is a potential option too.

*the later 2.2 is supposed to be better then the original 2.0 commonrail turbodiesel - and im told the 2.2 on the new 6 is a completely new engine anyway. Could take one on trial - work it hard and see how it gets on.

Re: the Mazda you could say the same about the 2.0l diesel bmws too, known to be very troublesome.

Are the new 2.2 Mondeos the 175bhp or 200bhp ? Think i saw one the other day down by the criminal courts, the drl led's made it look different to the others.

POGAN

saw one of the new 2.2 mondeo petrol estate there tonight at checkpoint, light package is nice

Hooch

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Re: the Mazda you could say the same about the 2.0l diesel bmws too, known to be very troublesome.

Are the new 2.2 Mondeos the 175bhp or 200bhp ? Think i saw one the other day down by the criminal courts, the drl led's made it look different to the others.

198 bhp. Nice bus but could do with a little more

D Trent

Mister Jingles wrote: »

Re: the Mazda you could say the same about the 2.0l diesel bmws too, known to be very troublesome.

Are the new 2.2 Mondeos the 175bhp or 200bhp ? Think i saw one the other day down by the criminal courts, the drl led's made it look different to the others.

sorry now but can someone tell me what 'drl' stands for plz? thnks in advance!