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Eirebear wrote: » Cue another "Going against the spirit of the game" rant from the usual suspects.
karma_ wrote: » In fairness the current transfer policy is a bit ridiculous, without even touching the 'spirit of the game' argument. Currently you are buying SPL quality players to compete at Tier 3 level and paying wages to match. Why not buy Championship quality players and they would do for 2 seasons and then chase SPL level players. Look at the Miller move this week, he's 33 years old and would be 35 before you got back to the SPL. Is that good business? It's fairly clear that Rangers are making the same mistakes of yesteryear.
Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: » And inside the first minute Clarkscores his debut goal for Rangers after running onto a knockdown he slotted it past the keeper
karma_ wrote: » Seriously, are you playing trialists in a league match? And I thought your transfer policy was insane.
Eirebear wrote: » The Miller move? You know something I don't because Miller is very much still a Whitecaps player. Out of the current Rangers squad, only the following will be over 30 in at the start of the 2015 season Emilson Cribari Lee McCulloch Richard Foster Stephen Smith Ian Black Dean Shiels Jon Daly Within that group, Smith, Foster, Shiels and Black will all be just turned 30. Out of a 31 man squad currently, there are 21 players under 25, 15 of them coming through the youth system. Age certainly is not a factor. I agree, we may be over reaching things to an extent - Guys like Foster and Smith shouldn't be needed for cover, and I certainly don't want Miller to be brought in. However i think you're also underestimating the demands that Rangers have upon them even from "League 1". The majority of Rangers fans expect a cup semi final at the very, very least this season - while the less realistic among us will settle for nothing other than a win in the Scottish Cup. Today's squad is a case in point. 3 of the starting line up and 9 of the 18 are a product of the youth system.
karma_ wrote: » Yes, my point is that all those players are SPL level and totally unnecessary for the level you find yourselves at and is akin to throwing money away. It's like buying a Ferrari to race stock cars.
Eirebear wrote: » Or building a team who will have a good solid knowledge of each other by playing with each other for two years?
karma_ wrote: » And how much is it going to cost you? The only point I'm trying to make is that the resources you are currently spending could be better spent. Is that too controversial considering teh clubs recent woes?
bobmalooka wrote: » Personally I don't think there's anything 'wrong' with getting as good a quality player as you can. I understand your point about building an SPL quality side now and giving them 2 years to tighten up but when rangers are looking at the possibility of administration before the end of this season due to that overspending then its a mental plan. If I was a rangers fan I'd be demanding to know how the wages will be sustained cos it could be one step forward two steps back
Eirebear wrote: » It very much could be, I'm still not persuaded that we're heading for admin though, but as you say we will be losing a lot of money in the current situation. As I've already said, it's a huge gamble, but to be honest it would be every bit as big a gamble to bring in lesser players and rebuild a full squad every season in the hope that these "lesser" players are good enough for the job.
bobmalooka wrote: » It's a while since I looked at the figures but without a big cash injection or major drop in costs it looked like ye would hit major trouble in February/march, the green regime clearly intended on cashing in this season and in my opinion the 'big' signings are being made to keep the fans quiet. I do agree with ya that its a good plan for the squad if it was financially viable but I really don't think it is. Based on the figures available rangers won't last the season unless a huge amount of money comes in.( maybe the board have an ace up their sleeve) Are any fan groups chasing this?
Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: » Yeah fans groups are chasing it but more importantly other shareholders are. They are calling for an EGM as they want a clear out that's why Green has jumped ship more will follow. Also where are you getting your figures from as no accounts have been released
bobmalooka wrote: » Nothing official but I'm a trainee accountant and the figures I saw are rumoured to be from the club to investment firms, not much more detail than what's already in the papers tbh but tell the same story, more money in than out. The stuff I saw was trying to portray a decent possibility of a long term return with heavy short term losses. Speculative stuff but enough to raise questions Edit: if those figures are any where close to the truth than a new board would probably need to sell in January or else find lots of cash/loans either way is better than insolvency.
Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: » If a new board gets in and it's made up of the people pushing for change them they are willing to put their own money in
bobmalooka wrote: » It will take real rangers fans to fix the club, chuck green has managed to make ye a bad business in less than a year. It could cost 10 million pound a year to keep the show in the road for a couple if years before there's any real prospect of breaking even (which won't be easy) and it'll be a hell of a long time till them losses are clawed back (if ever) I'd be very wary if people who say they'll throw their own money in as its completely reckless and simply won't last, ye need someone with a plan to balance the books. Are any of the people pushing for change publicly disclosing their business plan or are they spouting the same guff as whyte and green?
Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: » Dave King is a real Rangers man yes he has had his problems with the SA tax people but that's sorted now and as he put plenty in before and has said he is ready to do so again I have no reason to doubt him. You don't need to tell us about Green etc I think the fans are well aware of what has happened. Their are others hovering who are not short of a few bob along with King. I am sure we will get there. That's motto say I am not worried only a very foolish bear would say they aren't The people pushing are not going to disclose the actual plan until they have control they wouldn't be very good business men if they did
bobmalooka wrote: » We'll have to wait and see I guess. You'd have a better idea than me as to wether the average Rangers fan is ready to accept that they need to pay more if they want the club to pluck players from a higher level to pump part timers or else a more organic approach is needed whereby talented youngsters with a couple of experienced heads do enough to win the league. Maybe it's bad business to tell fans the reality of the situation as a lot of fans of every club want to have their cake and eat it. Dave king or whoever takes over will have to stump up to get ye to the end of this season but anyone who allows ye to start a season facing a 10 million loss isn't in it for the long term. Keep that in mind when these lads are saying what they want to do with the club
