Deise_2012 wrote: » Molumphy Brick and Mullane from what I've heard!
glick6 wrote: » I don't like coming on here with negativity usually. However, I've been talking with two people very close to the set up and two names that both came up with, that appear to have been instigators, that no one else seem to have mentioned are Noel Connors and Shane O'Sullivan. They appear to have been very involved, as well as Moran, mainly. That woulda mean both this years captain and vice captain were main players. Interesting. Didn't hear a peep out of Moran all yearlong in captains role but has the balls to pull off this kind of manoeuvre.
deisedevil wrote: » Your ignorance of the situation and the man in question is glaringly obvious and as a result your opinions are not worthy of debate. It's such a shame that there are people out there who are so quick to belittle men like Sean Cullinane and Michael Ryan who are responsible for much of the good days we have been lucky enough to have had in GAA for this county at many levels because these men gave such an effort. Is there any chance in future you could show the slightest bit more respect to those who deserve it and keep in mind that at the very worst these men have gone out of their way to do the genuine best they could for our county regardless of whether their methods were or were not at the same level as their efforts were. Truly the most awful post I have seen written on this thread from a fellow Waterford supporter. Given the practically non existent budget the county board have at their disposal, who would you regard as the most suitable candidate and what do you think we should have achieved in the last two years that Ryan didn't?
Motivator wrote: » I'd just love to know where this guys heart was the night of the kk match in thurles. Judging by his post I'd say he was delighted Waterford were beaten so that he could have a cut off the management. I'll say one thing, if McGrath comes in then it will be a bigger disaster than Davy Fitz. McGrath will probably have his ear piece & radio set on him already. I remember a Harty semi final with about 300 people at it & he aping around with a headpiece on him. Cringeworthy stuff altogether.
Brad1234 wrote: » On the point i made about fellas ringing in... The County champions had a weekend away in Kerry thats why the captain didnt ring.
Brad1234 wrote: » See the problem with a message forum is everything is taken on a personal level.. As Michael Ryan the bloke comes across as very personable in fact a guy i would like his company, whitty probably as he put it a players man etc... but as a manager of waterford he is out of his depth.. Just my and many hurling people i know opinion and some of spoofing he went on with last night is purely to steal a march on the players who in my opinion have been either incredibly ill advise or there is some 'Leaders' in the group with no backbone.. Ger Cunningham for a fact didnt take more then 10 training sessions for waterford and im giving myself leeway there.. Physical aspect he got right in the second year albeit on here after Clare game there was plenty of cries for 'we arent fit' and how did we bomb out in the KK game in extra time against a team physically wrecked? At the time i wanted a Jimmy Meaney or Chuck o Connor to take over they had worked well with a good crop of minors had improved professionalism at that grade for waterford and when the lack of funds were there then a new up and coming coach i felt should have been appointed.. Ryan as i have said on numerous occasion as a man i would say Lovely man but as a hurling manager at elite level out of his depth and only so much you can get away with..On the point i made about fellas ringing in... The County champions had a weekend away in Kerry thats why the captain didnt ring.
TGV wrote: » While this is a total mess and I can see no winners coming out this apart from our hurling opposition, I do not think it is fair or appropriate to throw out player names and point the blame at individuals with no real evidence to support it. I firmly believe that this should stop on this forum with immediate effect. These guys do this for the love of Hurling and for the love of their county and for no other reason. So if 11 players decided to question the current set up, maybe there were right and maybe there were given no alternative. 1. The county board was going to re-appoint Ryan without consulting the players, the two years were up and maybe at least a discussion should have taken place with all involved. 2. If Ryan does now get re-appointed at least now all grievances and issues are out in the open and up for discussion and can be resolved. 3. There are already a number of players who have made themselves unavailable for the team and as result of this I am sure there will be one or two others…but any players with real ambition for success will row in under whichever manager is appointed. 4. If he does get re-appointed and manages to pull everyone together then we have a truly great manager in the making. And while I do not know Ryan in person he definitely learns from past mistakes and learns fast. Unlike other managers we have had in the past who were unwilling to change. We have a real opportunity to win an All-Ireland in the next few years, but it can only be achieved as a team. The county board needs to get their act together and start acting professionally – do the right things right and be pro-active. Sort out the financial mess, get out on the streets with the collection bowls, go to the bigger companies in Waterford and get contributions and support. Starting treating the players and the management with respect. To players - concentrate on your hurling, winning an All-Ireland can be achieved with the talent we have and the more open competitive championship of the next few years. Be patient as you impatience has probable put the biggest obstacle in place now. And to the rest of us this is our team no matter what….. support it.
Deskjockey wrote: » So Derek McGrath is 2/5 with Paddy Power as of yesterday, extremely short odds. Besides working with De La Salle school teams, has he had involvement with adult teams and what success have they had? Genuine question
Brad1234 wrote: » See the problem with a message forum is everything is taken on a personal level..
Brad1234 wrote: » In fairness to Michael.. He played the victim card to perfection.. Did some name dropping and then said he was going again ha.. Unreal.. The man has some neck.. Captain would wanna speak up now though and tell their side of the story cause ryan is bleeding them dry at the moment.. Top class coach lined up.. What a spoof.. I wonder how many nights ger cunningham was there cause id say i could count it on one hand... Cullinane defence coach ha thats some shout too... ]I want waterford hurling to improve and we werent going too with a spoofer like that in charge.. Spent 3 hours with flanagan prob as long as he spent in the field doing physical in the first year... Who asked him for recap of the season.. Offaly banana skin. since when.. when did they last win a decent game.. Cody said hardest we ever ran kk.. Did he forget the league final and the time if fag o brien hadnt missed the pick up we were in an all ireland..Surprised he didnt get a call from obama to commiserate with him. His selective opinion was laughable.. What happened Bro Ryan Michael or Nicky Cashin.. He had the neck to hanging in there then.. The fellas ringing in were on the piss down in Kerry with their club..
TGV wrote: » And to the rest of us this is our team no matter what….. support it.
noiniho wrote: » I think we are in for one unholy mess coming up. If Ryan gets appointed in September I can see alot of the current players opting out.
seananigans wrote: » I have no problem supporting our team, but the actions these individuals have taken,shady dealing with half a panel forcing a phone vote without giving the manager an opportunity for a clear the air, and worst of all, showing a complete lack of respect for the minors,a true team, that I cannot support A simple clear the air session is whats needed, if one or 2 walkfor their own selfish reasons,so be it, no one its bigger than the team
seananigans wrote: » A simple clear the air session is whats needed, if one or 2 walkfor their own selfish reasons,so be it, no one its bigger than the team
noiniho wrote: » I know it’s different but from my experience a high percentage of players in every team, are p!ssed off with the manager at one time or another over a season anyway! I feel for Ryan but you cant resign and then say you want the job a few days later, he didn’t need to resign his term was up anyway, he could have not put his name forward or he could have left the dust settle for a week, see if the situation could be rescued by mediation or something and then if it was, put his name forward again.... not that it is all fault or anything but he took the nuclear option straight away of resigning, the meeting was at 11, it was in the news by half time of the minor match, thats fine but he should stick to that decision then, instead its totally farcical with him going back in for it
noiniho wrote: » One or two walking in that instance is being very very optimistic, these steps werent taken to keep one or two happy.
Mountainlad wrote: » He didn't resign. He "officially informed them he would not be seeking the posiiton" the County Board statement subsequently then indicated if he decided to apply it would be considered. So the suggestions that they may be talking him into going for it again may not be far wide of the mark. But I agree the situation is an awful mess.
premierstone wrote: » And what players do you consult? Should you not consult with every single eligible adult hurler in the county as techniclly once Michael Ryan's tenure was up, there was no panel in place, meaning those 'men' who attended that meeting Sunday morning are no different to the few boys down the pub.
seananigans wrote: » unhappy on the team or unhappy in the stands? i know which one i'd pick ,we can't allow the players to dictate like this, it's a horrible precedent
premierstone wrote: » Since when were CB's expected to consult with players as to whom should be the manager, I certainly don't get to pick my boss, does anyone else? And what players do you consult? Should you not consult with every single eligible adult hurler in the county as techniclly once Michael Ryan's tenure was up, there was no panel in place, meaning those 'men' who attended that meeting Sunday morning are no different to the few boys down the pub.
noiniho wrote: » Of course you are right, isnt it a dangerous precedent? (This is a purely hypothetical scenario) Lets just say for harms sake there are 4 high profile all stars in a middle of the road team, who are entering into their mid - 30's and look like they are no longer going to be selected by their current manager, these players, being playing legends, hold huge influence over their younger team mates... realising they are coming to the end of the road, they oust the manager and as they have an input with the county board, influence the appointment of a man who will continue to pick them for a few more seasons. how damaging would that be? there is a fine line here and what is it exactly the players want? because if they get what they want then the above scenario could happen.
hardybuck wrote: » Often in the workplace, workers will give feedback on their manager. It's called 360 degree feedback... It would be arrogant to think that there will always be someone available to fill the Waterford jersey. Not many people would be willing and able to provide as much commitment as these guys. And before anyone says that they'd give their eye teeth for the chance - you give yourself the chance through a lifetime of dedication and hard work. Their views are completely valid, but should not have come out in this fashion. If there was a proper review process or forum provided by the County Board, this wouldn't have been allowed to happen. We're going in circles. There is a vacant senior manager role to be filled, exactly the same as after the KK defeat. Nominations or applications will come in, and Ryan will either apply for it or he won't.
