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Give Gardai credit card machines

MadsL

In my view, it is time Gardai were empowered to levy on the spot fines with credit card facilities to deal with anti-social behaviour.

Pissing in the street = €125 Sir, and here is your bucket and mop to clean it up.
Vomiting in the street = €125 Ma'am. Visa will do nicely.
Aggressive anti-social conduct in public = €190 or a night in the cells, your choice.

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Sir Humphrey Appleby

MadsL wrote: »

In my view, it is time Gardai were empowered to levy on the spot fines with credit card facilities to deal with anti-social behaviour.

Pissing in the street = €125 Sir, and here is your bucket and mop to clean it up.
Vomiting in the street = €125 Ma'am. Visa will do nicely.
Aggressive anti-social conduct in public = €190 or a night in the cells, your choice.

Nice idea , but wholly unconstitutional in this state AFAIK.

AndonHandon

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I never said lower, I said the same.
I got fined for having no DART ticket last year after the vending machine repeatedly refused the coins I was putting in and I was late for my bus to Electric Picnic, had there not been the threat of a criminal conviction and a much higher fine I definitely would have gone to court as the fine was utterly unreasonable. Deterring people from going to court even when they have a very valid case is ridiculous.

Well, someone like you won't be faced with the prospect of a criminal conviction if that is the reason you were fined. But a seasoned petty criminal will not bother paying an on-the-spot fine as they will be aware that most of those don't make it to court.

It is not a crime of absolute liability, i.e. you have to prove your innocence, being caught without a ticket.

Capt'n Midnight

Just give them NFC readers, it would be up to you to prove that you didn't provide consent to the €15 deducted from you

[Deleted User]

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Not my fault in the slightest if our government(s) aren't bothered to provide the most basic public facilities.

Ridiculous.

Yes, ridiculous to expect a grown adult to hold it for an hour. As a handy bit of advice: if you're not good at holding it, go before you leave the club.

In addition, I've heard a legend that if you have a penis it's possible to tie a piece of string around it and it should hold it in for you!

goose2005

sdeire wrote: »

Good idea - make it a reduced rate for paying on the spot.

For example:

€75 if you pay on the spot.
€100 if you pay within 28 days.
€125 if you pay within 56 days.
€250 if convicted and fined.

So, basically, punishing people for being poor. Not everyone can ask Mammy for a dig out.

Captain Chaos

goose2005 wrote: »

So, basically, punishing people for being poor. Not everyone can ask Mammy for a dig out.

Or just don't act the maggot in the first place.

goose2005

true-or-false wrote: »

Yes, ridiculous to expect a grown adult to hold it for an hour. As a handy bit of advice: if you're not good at holding it, go before you leave the club.

It is ridiculous to send ~5,000 grown adults home from various clubs at 2 a.m., most of them having drunk a lot, and provide no public toilets, and then act surprised when the streets are covered in urine.

Elbaston

MadsL wrote: »

In my view, it is time Gardai were empowered to levy on the spot fines with credit card facilities to deal with anti-social behaviour.

Pissing in the street = €125 Sir, and here is your bucket and mop to clean it up.
Vomiting in the street = €125 Ma'am. Visa will do nicely.
Aggressive anti-social conduct in public = €190 or a night in the cells, your choice.

dear god we're in aagreement.

limited to high density areas and town centres though.

sdanseo

goose2005 wrote: »

So, basically, punishing people for being poor. Not everyone can ask Mammy for a dig out.

Not at all. It's a discount for saving the time and hassle, not to mind postage, of having to send out forms. I got 2 points and an €80 fine a couple of years ago, and between all the different stakeholders' time to process the whole thing (I received 4 or 5 letters from the Gardaí, RSA etc.) it probably cost half that to get the things applied to my licence.

Mike 1972

true-or-false wrote: »

Yes, ridiculous to expect a grown adult to hold it for an hour. u!

Not everyone is blessed with strong bladder control muscles you know

B.A._Baracus

Gardai carrying credit card machines? what will you think of next MadsL :pac:

Apart from it being a crazy idea, but lets just say it happened, I see one tiny, teeny little problem with your idea .... and that's "Sorry, Guard. I don't have a credit card"

snubbleste

I'll let ye off if you sponsor me running in a marathon

Garda is alleged to have suggested to motorists that their offences would be quietly dropped if they made donations to a charity nominated by him.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-at-centre-of-probe-over-charity-deals-to-motorists-28894703.html

No Pants

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

"Sorry, Guard. I don't have a credit card"

Even if you do, just enter the wrong PIN three times.

keithclancy

goose2005 wrote: »

It is ridiculous to send ~5,000 grown adults home from various clubs at 2 a.m., most of them having drunk a lot, and provide no public toilets, and then act surprised when the streets are covered in urine.

Dey were eurinatin all over the place Joe.

In fairness though, you have it fairly easy in Ireland, with offences rarely ever being enforced.

Mike 1972

keithclancy wrote: »

In fairness though, you have it fairly easy in Ireland, with offences rarely ever being enforced.

There are parts of the world where if one does it within 300 metres of a school (even at night during the summer holiday) they are classed as sex offenders FFS

conorhal

I'd agree, why go through the pointless expense of a prosicution? That takes up court time, the arresting Guard is off the streets because they have to turn up as a witness and of course there's the expense of having solicitors involved......

On the spot fines are a quick efficient means of dealing with trivial infractions of the law and the ability to demand on the spot payment or the doubling of a fine if it goes to court ensures that you don't have to put up with messers.

I'd also be in favour of bringing back the drunk tank, if you're drunk and disorderly, abusing people and pissing in the street, it's a night in the drunk tank for you. You get 5 mins in front of a night court and 12x6 cell with a wooden pallet and a blanket and a toilet, oh, and a 90 euro fine for your bed and breakfast in the morning.
Again this would avoid the overly bureaucratic requirements for dealing quickly and efficently with public order offences.

Sh1tbag OToole

MadsL wrote: »

You can have the option of your day in court by refusing the fine and getting arrested, just as you can for a traffic offence.

Pissing in public can't really have much of a defence now can it?

As to being genuinely ill, what do you suppose the chances are that you suddenly got ill at 3am in Temple Bar and it wasn't drink related...? A quick sniff of the vomit would tell you it was booze.

Nothing wrong with pissing in public. I dont know why it would bother you so much. If you are out at 3am in temple bar then you should accept the risk of standing in someone elses piss or vomit

WilyCoyote

Jesus MadzL, didn't read your OP title fully. I read it as Give Gardaí credit. I thought you had lost it

But every action should have an equal and opposite reaction. How about the punters having one to charge the Gardaí for:
Double parking outside cafes
Flying down the road with siren flashing to catch the fight in Fair City
Parking in non parking areas near copshops etc

Christ the Redeemer

I do not want to live in the world that Madsl envisions.

clairefontaine

No. Citizens have the right to dispute a fine. Don't want to see cops turning into tax collectors.

MugMugs

What a silly idea.

You're turning moral issues into direct financial gains.

It's losing track of what the Gardai are for !

NuckingFacker

Does everyone have a credit card? Can drunks peeing in the street remember their PIN? Is everyones card "working". Bummer if it's maxed out. Do scallys carry cards?

Sh1tbag OToole

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

I do not want to live in the world that Madsl envisions.

Couldnt have said it better myself. Regulations and bureaucracy, property tax everywhere.

Would prefer to live in a world where the government would just f*ck of and leave you alone as long as you're not kiling anyone

MadsL

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Gardai carrying credit card machines? what will you think of next MadsL :pac:

Apart from it being a crazy idea, but lets just say it happened, I see one tiny, teeny little problem with your idea .... and that's "Sorry, Guard. I don't have a credit card"

Grand, down to the station whilst we establish your identity and issue a fine, shouldn't take more than 6 hours in the cells.

Oh, look there's your debit card. That'll do nicely.

No Pants wrote: »

Even if you do, just enter the wrong PIN three times.

You mean refuse to pay. See above.

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Nothing wrong with pissing in public. I dont know why it would bother you so much. If you are out at 3am in temple bar then you should accept the risk of standing in someone elses piss or vomit

Wow, Temple Bar as the piss and vomit playground. What a great marketing idea.

You are aware people also live and work in Temple Bar?

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Couldnt have said it better myself. Regulations and bureaucracy, property tax everywhere.

Would prefer to live in a world where the government would just f*ck of and leave you alone as long as you're not kiling anyone

A world with no schools, hospitals, dole, old people's homes, social services, police, disability services, libraries, traffic lights, sanitation or water service?

Sounds lovely.

MadsL

MugMugs wrote: »

What a silly idea.

You're turning moral issues into direct financial gains.

It's losing track of what the Gardai are for !

Moral issue?

Offences under the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994

Disorderly conduct in public place.

5.—(1) It shall be an offence for any person in a public place to engage in offensive conduct—

(a) between the hours of 12 o'clock midnight and 7 o'clock in the morning next following, or

(b) at any other time, after having been requested by a member of the Garda Síochána to desist.

(2) A person who is guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding £500.

(3) In this section “offensive conduct” means any unreasonable behaviour which, having regard to all the circumstances, is likely to cause serious offence or serious annoyance to any person who is, or might reasonably be expected to be, aware of such behaviour.

Gardai already have the power to issue fixed penalty notices.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/si/0266.html

Christ the Redeemer

Sh1tbag OToole wrote: »

Couldnt have said it better myself. Regulations and bureaucracy, property tax everywhere.

Would prefer to live in a world where the government would just f*ck of and leave you alone as long as you're not kiling anyone

Yesterday s/he was moaning about the clutter of trade in the city.. people fking trying to make a living... it's messy!! now this. I am slowly losing hope with this nation.

MadsL

Christ the Redeemer wrote: »

Yesterday s/he was moaning about the clutter of trade in the city.. people fking trying to make a living... it's messy!! now this. I am slowly losing hope with this nation.

Because encouraging Civic Pride in your city/nation is a terrible thing compared to being a me feiner and wanting society 'to leave you alone'.

MadsL

Out of interest CtR/Shitbag what have you contributed towards a better society?

Phoebas

clairefontaine wrote: »

No. Citizens have the right to dispute a fine. Don't want to see cops turning into tax collectors.

You'd still be able to dispute it. The only difference between this and what happens currently is that you'd pay on the spot rather than later (with a surcharge).

B.A._Baracus

MadsL wrote: »

Grand, down to the station whilst we establish your identity and issue a fine, shouldn't take more than 6 hours in the cells.

Oh, look there's your debit card. That'll do nicely.

and what if you dont have a credit card

sure I don't. So I should be hauled into the cells?

But what if people disputed the fine too (which most would) throw them in cells too?

Seriously MadsL, guards carrying Credit Card machines? :pac: It's a stupid idea :pac: