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partyatmygaff

Accepted my offer exactly twelve hours ago. Can't wait to get started.

Any one else starting Pharmacy this September?

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abdul 1995

hi how much percentage do we get from giving up the lab book for 1003 and does it count for your final exam as in does it help you for your exam or do u still have to get over 40% regardless? thanks.

partyatmygaff

JeaicMaG wrote: »

partyatmygaff how was the 1004 MCQ? Nothing to go on really :P

Should I go over the stuff in the practical manual? Did they give ye a sample?

They didn't give us a sample. Last I recall, it was more or less random points from the slides with about 3 questions that absolutely no one could answer as they'd never been mentioned in any of the lectures.

You'll get questions based on what you covered in the lectures with about 10 or so calculations at the end.

All in all, it's not too bad.

FaoiSin

partyatmygaff how was the 1004 MCQ? (New in last year :P) Nothing to go on really :P

Should I go over the stuff in the practical manual? Did they give ye a sample?

FaoiSin

Sound

I reckon my notes are decent

Fabio's notes are quite.. extensive :P Be grand

Scortho

JeaicMaG wrote: »

Any advice for the 1003 chromatography question? I think I should just read my notes because they can ask anything really. Not very predictable :rolleyes:

Stick to your lecture notes for the chromatography question. Walsh's slides are useless for this one unfortunately. If you dont have good notes, contact him to express your concerns....he should help you out as he doesnt want to be correcting supplementals in August!
Fabio's slides on chromatography should be fine for his part.
Theres a load in that question that could come up but they generally put in 4-5 questions that everyone should know.

FaoiSin

Any advice for the 1003 chromatography question? I think I should just read my notes because they can ask anything really. Not very predictable :rolleyes:

Scortho

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Ah yes... the pharmacognosy slides. 4/5 undersized diagrams from Wikipedia (with little to no text) for his essay question and pages upon pages of the BP/Ph. Eur. with all the specific monographs we supposedly don't need to memorise.

It's those diagrams that he screws you with! Knows people will look at them and think nah all this writing will come up!

No one or two samples/tests from the bp as he does actually require it! But not all of them. From what I remember it was the methods of carrying out the assays (loss on drying, total ash, that he looked for!)

Sasse's slides are way worse. Just random pictures that have no link to the next one!

We found pavias slides to be really good! It was like a summary of his book.

Scortho

JeaicMaG wrote: »

Ah Physiology.. Personally I like to end the day with it.. Ya know something to look forward to :P I find with some of the lecturers you'll be fine with the slides but I read the chapter anyway to try make it stick.

Did you even open that Physiology book? :P

Eh I had a glance...it was my realisation that most college books are a waste of time and money, 2 things that one should never waste!:)

I've only found a handful of books useful in fact. Foys med chem, hart and crane organic chemistry, aultons for pharmaceutics practicals, a tiny blue book on pharmaceutical calcs, the rang and dale and the trusty bnf (2007).
All of which are available for free as PDFs online......
If i was to recommend one it'd be hart and crane. It got a nice bit of use.

Aine Kelly made us buy the book in order to get access to the lecture slides.
With the book came a code to get access to them. Load of bull**** so it was.

partyatmygaff

Scortho wrote: »

Every exam question in pharmacy seems to be off one feckin slide!

Partyatmygaff take a look at the 2003 question from fabio last year. It was on photosynthesis in tropical plants. Fabio had one slide on this.
The mechanism for tropical plants was so complicated that it needed a page of its own to see it properly. Wouldn't mind but I knew the other 3 mechanisms of photosynthesis. And most of the other couple of hundred slides that he had!

I've found writing and taking notes in class to be a waste at this stage!:/
What I take in class in September is totally illegible in October yet alone April!
Best think to do is to read reread cover try say and check and say again and then move on! It makes studying the night before so much easier.

Ah yes... the pharmacognosy slides. 4/5 undersized diagrams from Wikipedia (with little to no text) for his essay question and pages upon pages of the BP/Ph. Eur. with all the specific monographs we supposedly don't need to memorise.

Scortho

abdul 1995 wrote: »

sorry to keep bothering you with the questions but how do u learn from the slides do u like re write the information down or like just repeat the info out loud to urself till you learn it off? this is cause i find re writing the slides to take WAY too much time and i have no lecture notes from attending lectures (surprise!)

The only lecture notes you really need are quigs on 0, 1st and 2 nd order reactions and the t 1/2, walsh's mechanisms for 02 and his stuff on chromatography for 03.
Healy's isotherms as well.
If you haven't got them email them and ask for them/where you can get the info.

Scortho

Every exam question in pharmacy seems to be off one feckin slide!

Partyatmygaff take a look at the 2003 question from fabio last year. It was on photosynthesis in tropical plants. Fabio had one slide on this.
The mechanism for tropical plants was so complicated that it needed a page of its own to see it properly. Wouldn't mind but I knew the other 3 mechanisms of photosynthesis. And most of the other couple of hundred slides that he had!

I've found writing and taking notes in class to be a waste at this stage!:/
What I take in class in September is totally illegible in October yet alone April!
Best think to do is to read reread cover try say and check and say again and then move on! It makes studying the night before so much easier.

partyatmygaff

abdul 1995 wrote: »

sorry to keep bothering you with the questions but how do u learn from the slides do u like re write the information down or like just repeat the info out loud to urself till you learn it off? this is cause i find re writing the slides to take WAY too much time and i have no lecture notes from attending lectures (surprise!)

Reading... re-reading... reading again... pacing my room and telling myself i'm screwed as I try (and fail) to remember random details... and then a bit of reading to top it all off.

For a subject as big as physiology, I can't think of a better way to do it. That said, it's what works for you that you need to do, not what worked for me. Try a few things, see what works best and then go full steam ahead.

abdul 1995

partyatmygaff wrote: »

The slides and the very occasional bit of Wikipedia.

sorry to keep bothering you with the questions

but how do u learn from the slides do u like re write the information down or like just repeat the info out loud to urself till you learn it off? this is cause i find re writing the slides to take WAY too much time and i have no lecture notes from attending lectures (surprise!)

partyatmygaff

abdul 1995 wrote: »

did u re write the notes in ur own words and learn them off or use the notes from going to lectures or just learn eveything off from the slides?

The slides and the very occasional bit of Wikipedia.

JeaicMaG wrote: »

90!? Fair play. I tried that MCQ the other day and I wasn't exactly happy :P The exam's a killer because you get tested on your knowledge of several lectures with one question and it's often off 1 particular slide.

You'll some come to realise that's the problem with most of the exams

FaoiSin

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I only read that book (As in actually read it and not just opened it and lost the will to live) the week before the physiology exam. Despite hating the module and fearing it above all others... I managed 90%. How much of that was due to the book, I can't say... don't remember it being all that useful in the exam save for a single MCQ.

90!? Fair play. I tried that MCQ the other day and I wasn't exactly happy :P The exam's a killer because you get tested on your knowledge of several lectures with one question and it's often off 1 particular slide.

abdul 1995

partyatmygaff wrote: »

I only read that book (As in actually read it and not just opened it and lost the will to live) the week before the physiology exam. Despite hating the module and fearing it above all others... I managed 90%. How much of that was due to the book, I can't say... don't remember it being all that useful in the exam save for a single MCQ.

did u re write the notes in ur own words and learn them off or use the notes from going to lectures or just learn eveything off from the slides?

partyatmygaff

I only read that book (As in actually read it and not just opened it and lost the will to live) the week before the physiology exam. Despite hating the module and fearing it above all others... I managed 90%. How much of that was due to the book, I can't say... don't remember it being all that useful in the exam save for a single MCQ.

abdul 1995

yeah and it had too many diagrams and writing in it, it made me feel dizzy so i just snapped it shut! xD. what a waste of money

FaoiSin

Ah Physiology.. Personally I like to end the day with it.. Ya know something to look forward to :P I find with some of the lecturers you'll be fine with the slides but I read the chapter anyway to try make it stick.

Did you even open that Physiology book? :P

Scortho

JeaicMaG wrote: »

13 hours straight is a bit much :P Just make a plan and stick to it. If we do the work now we won't have to repeat (hopefully). Honestly the LC was a walk in the park in comparison.

I definitely agree! I've more notes for one module than I did for my entire lc. One module consists of 3000 slides as well (I was bored....;/)

Scortho

abdul 1995 wrote: »

dont u like take breaks and stuff, in fairness i was expecting u to say 8 or something. how do u do it like when do u wake up and stuff

Study from 8 until 2 then take one hour then study form 3 until 6 and take an hour then 7 until 9 take an hour and do one last hour of study!
I'd normally take a 5-10 min after each hour just to give me a quick rest and then back into it.

How do I do it? Lets just say I've spent far too much time in the hamilton library in July and August to know that I have to do it!
Oh and I want to change my car so being able to work more will increase the budget!:)

Unless you're looking for a first from physiology, the slides and mcqs should be fine. Jack will tell you how much I used my old physiology book!:D

abdul 1995

this is an email from aine kelly:

Read the question carefully and answer specifically what is asked. No marks are given for irrelevant information.
Don’t question sport or try to predict questions – there is absolutely no pattern or formula to the way we set questions each year.
If you are asked specifically for a table/flow chart/diagram etc then provide one.
It is fine to answer questions in bullet point form. However, if you are asked to ‘describe’ a mechanism, prose style would be required.
If you know the material in the lecture slides, you are sure of passing and getting a good mark. Students who do background reading in relevant sections of the recommended textbooks and understand that material have a better chance of achieving excellent marks.

apparently the slides alone are enough to get a good mark which might be around 60 so if u want dont waste too much time looking for detail in the book

abdul 1995

true i miss it so much never taught id say this but the taught of studying in summer is too much :O

FaoiSin

13 hours straight is a bit much :P Just make a plan and stick to it. If we do the work now we won't have to repeat (hopefully). Honestly the LC was a walk in the park in comparison.

abdul 1995

thats it then tomorrow im doing 13 hours straight!!!! >:(

abdul 1995

JeaicMaG wrote: »

12ish as well but I burn out at the end :P I'm not getting much done though :pac:

u too jack

FaoiSin

12ish as well but I burn out at the end :P I'm not getting much done though :pac:

abdul 1995

dont u like take breaks and stuff, in fairness i was expecting u to say 8 or something. how do u do it like when do u wake up and stuff

abdul 1995

you cant be serious, 12??????
i do a third of that :'( omg!

Scortho

abdul 1995 wrote: »

guys roughly how many hours of study are you doing per day at this stage of the year

12 ish!:( and a lot of wasted time on boards.

Why do you ask?