dj jarvis wrote: » Sorry garda - but put up or shut up, you signed the contract - no point whinging about it now.
Lelantos wrote: » Actually, the gardai are answerable to the people of Ireland, that's their contract,,the sooner the politicians are taken out of the equation the better. Shatter & his cronies are trying to keep them in check, but a time will come when the gardai will turn on their paymasters, when that day comes it will lead to a mini revolution & the politicians will then realize that the gardai are not their personal enforcement agency
SB2013 wrote: » Just a point on that. Contracts work both ways.
NiallSparky wrote: » The loyalty of the Garda Commissioner should be to the State, not his subordinates.
Boombastic wrote: » So does bench marking
Paulzx wrote: » Then why is it apparent his loyalty is to Shatter?No senior manager in any organisation can run it efficently if he loses his employees respect. Management don't have to be popular but they do need to have the respect of the people they manage if the organisation is to function. Senior Garda management quite obviously do not have this respect. They can enforce discipline all they want but when management are functioning correctly discipline generally takes care of itself no matter where you work. Without a change of minister and commissioner i can't see AGS as a body coming back from this. Trust has completely broken down
Midnight Sundance wrote: » Taking aside any opinions on their wages etc, I think they should be allowed to voice their opinions. ( who is to say that they all didn't have a bad dose of diarrhoea and needed the bathroom urgently??)
dj jarvis wrote: » yea , and their contract with the people states they cant be union members or strike - its a simple as that shatter has to keep them in check , its his job - and if they do " turn on their paymasters " the other arms of security and defense will have to tackle them. as you point out they work for the people, and if they turn against the state , they turn against you and me - for what ? over pay and conditions ? if they are not happy , leave - others would be delighted im sorry , but your post is wishful rabble rousing but un workable. in the real world - if they step out of line , they will and should be jumped on and hard , becasue if you dont - bye bye security of the state.
dj jarvis wrote: » dont like it then leave.
brandon_flowers wrote: » It wasn't as if they slipped out to have a piss, they obviously made themselves noticed. They should be disciplined. Fairly spineless thing to do if you ask me. Why not put up their hand and ask the difficult questions? Staying stum or walking out is hardly is not going to achieve anything. It is downright disrespectful actually. If you walked out of a speech by your company CEO regardless of circumstance you wouldn't be coming back.
Lelantos wrote: » Actually, when the people march on the dáil for cutting old people's medical cards etc, acts that were illegal, the gardai should be at the forefront of these marches. Their remit is to protect the people, not the unjust laws & edicts of the privileged. he laws of the state are one thing, the whims of corrupt politicians are another thing entirely
Going Forward wrote: » BTW, I'd love know what the 24/7 group (they dont work 24 hours a day btw) make of the very generous volunteers up and down the country who give up their time free of charge, from the likes of the RNLI to the Order of Malta etc. to selflessly serve the community . They must really be dumb
HondaSami wrote: » why leave if you like the job? Why don't politicians take more cuts, like expenses for example, why are they not taking a bigger hit?
VinLieger wrote: » So what? That was the objective, are you saying the gardai have less rights than every other person in this country? Lol you think a CEO could fire someone for walking out of a speech and not end up in court?
Going Forward wrote: » If the Gaurds, nurses, teachers etc. are so unhappy with their pay etc, they are free to offer their talents elsewhere, resign, and get a sackable non secure non pensionable job in the private sector. I also am fed up listening to the very misleading claims that each gaurd works every Christmas day along with a picture being painted that each and every gaurd is in imminent danger at all times They do not, and hopefully will not reach harm, but they are now finding the same qualified sympathy from much of the general public to whom they displayed general arrogance whilst enthusiastically dishing out points for minor RT misdemeanours instead of engaging and constructively warning the general public. Mix this in with recent and past high profile corruption cases and the wealth of local corruption that occurs below the radar and the fact that each and every ordinary person has accepted cuts that they do not agree with, well we are all in the same boat. When Garda recruitment begins again there will be a stampede to fill such undesirable positions.BTW, I'd love know what the 24/7 group (they dont work 24 hours a day btw) make of the very generous volunteers up and down the country who give up their time free of charge, from the likes of the RNLI to the Order of Malta etc. to selflessly serve the community . They must really be dumb
dj jarvis wrote: » i think you misunderstand their remit laws passed by the house , signed into law by the president are the laws they must enforce and protect. they might have sympathy for the marchers , but they are paid to not do anything about their sympathy's. they cant and should not act on public opinion. you got a issue with the laws being passed ? then start a party and start making your own laws - and those laws the garda would have to enforce you cant have it both ways
Mr Jinx wrote: » They were off duty and attending a conference of their rep body! I doubt standing up and walking out off a room has broken any discipline regulations.
Lelantos wrote: » Again, incorrect. They are acting on the will of the incumbent govt. The mistreatment of the orderly, the shell debacle in mayo, there are many more, these are not laws that have been signed by our president, these are the acts of corruption by politicians & expect their "personal" police force to enforce their edicts. The gardai must remain separate from the govt, there has to be a line drawn & when politicians try to overstep their remit, they should be slapped down.
Larbre34 wrote: » Eh, perhaps two hours a week, with involvement usually coming about as an extension to a hobby or family involvement - mountaineering, sailing etc. People are as attracted to these groups for their social interactive aspect as the nature of the volunteer work itself. Professional emergency workers deal with the good bad and ugly every shift they report for. As a comparison its not even a different league, its a different sport........
brandon_flowers wrote: » The Gardai should of course have equal rights, maybe even more rights but walking out of a speech by your employer is not a right. I can guarantee it breaches a code of conduct and that is the reason that sanctions are being mentioned. And Lol at you if you think the majority of unfair dismissals ever make a court room.
dj jarvis wrote: » part of the job contract is no strike , 100% disciplined now saying that i think they have a point , but you CAN NOT have garda going on strike , walking away from talks or snubbing ministers , they are well paid in solid jobs and retire REAL early , all that is asked of them is to keep the peace of the state , ****ty job at times ,and even might get killed ( more road worker get killed than garda , but road workers dont get the very good remuneration that garda do ) but they know when the leave templemore they have to obey orders , like them or not If they are unhappy with the pay and condition then leave the force , shatter would love it if loads left , sure he is trying to get rid of loads, the Defence forces would not and should not do this "blue flu" out of respect for the chain of command , becasue once that is broken - it can only lead to disorder come times of deployment Sorry garda - but put up or shut up, you signed the contract - no point whinging about it now.
dj jarvis wrote: » they do - and im sure there is a clause that allows the state to change wage levels and perks as needed , no public sector worker is immune from this **** storm , dont see why they should be lets face it , their own people walked out before the talks , and now they are regretting it they are public workers - paid for by us - cuts need to be made - sorry lads dont like it then leave.
WileyCoyote wrote: » You choose to singularly omit the fact the Defence Forces are allowed into negotations, if they are allowed to negotiate then why are the Gardai not similarly allowed?
The Muppet wrote: » Oh I hadn't realised these 4 Gardai went on strike, I thought they had just walked out of a meeting
