The_Kew_Tour wrote: » When you go to school for 15 odd years and can't put 2 sentences together in Irish then you have to question Teachers wages. Not just them but also certin other jobs.
Rasheed wrote: » I don't agree with the blaming teachers altogether, but he has a point that after 15 years of schooling, we should have a high fluency of Irish. Nearly every child hates learning it and it really needs to be looked at. I've a few primary school teacher friends and they can't even get excited about teaching it, how is a child suppose to get a desire to learn it? It's a pity, I still think it's a lovely language, although quite useless in the global scale.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » No, that is not what I am saying which is massively unfair to put words into people mouth, but thanks for trying.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » My apologies "overpaid" dossers would probably have been more accurate. If not , then you too can explain to my how primary kids manage to learn other things from the same teachers? And how reducing wages would improve standards in Irish specifically?
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Care to explain where I mentioned the word "Dosser"? Never said that. Stop putting words into peoples mouths. Its little immature.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » You said they weren't earnign their wages, did you not? What's the difference?
December2012 wrote: » Or spell in English? Not the teachers fault - I blame the parents who don't foster or back up what's taught in school.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Its not just Irish though. In my opinion certain other subjects like English are poorly taught too.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » It's bull****, sorry. The probelm is the syallabus, and the fact that it puts too much priority on literature and not actually learnign how to communicate in it, as weel as social factors, such as lack of outlets. Everything in your second paragraph points at this. Also, if teachers wages are the problem, how do you explain the fact that most primary school kids are a lot stronger in other subjects, despite having the same tecaher?
Rasheed wrote: » What's bullshiit? I think the syllabus has too much emphasis on the literary side of Irish but you can't go completely to the other side either. It needs to be a happy balance. A new lease of life needs to be injected into Irish, if its going to be taught at all. This goes for both teachers and students. The days of hammering verbs into students are over. As regarding the teachers salary, I never mentioned in my post so I don't get what point you're trying to make.
The King of Moo wrote: » I wouldn't question the wages as such. Teaching done properly is a very difficult job which requires real dedication. The good teachers deserve what they get. I would make it a lot harder to qualify to teach, at primary and secondary level though. Too many teachers qualify without really knowing their area or how to teach and manage young people, or all of the above. I've met quite a few primary teachers in particular who have just been plain stupid, giving the good ones a bad name.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » Then why did you specify Irish? I put it to you that it's because Irish is failing and you thought that would make teachers look worse? (And that's not putting words into your mouth!) The idea that you are now trying to put the blame for the alleged poor teaching of all subjects (which isn't even the case) at the teachers' door really only strengthens the idea that you think teachers are overpaid "dossers".
space_man wrote: » poor people are poor because they are not very clever. i know this to be true. you only have to talk to any poor person to realise it.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » His opinion, and the idea that the teachers are to blame for failing Irish standards (your opening line).
mango salsa wrote: » Define poor?
In Ireland, 11 basic items are used to construct the deprivation index: Without heating at some stage in the last year Unable to afford a morning, afternoon or evening out in the last fortnight Unable to afford two pairs of strong shoes Unable to afford a roast once a week Unable to afford a meal with meat, chicken or fish every second day Unable to afford new (not second-hand) clothes Unable to afford a warm waterproof coat Unable to afford to keep the home adequately warm Unable to afford to replace any worn out furniture Unable to afford to have family or friends for a drink or meal once a month Unable to afford to buy presents for family or friends at least once a year
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » I dont know what to say. I really dont. You really are trying to clutch onto this "Dosser" word. Why? I dont have any idea. I would have no problem discussing this, but you seem to be looking for argument and for that reason I am out. and yes you still are putting words into my mouth.
Rasheed wrote: » I don't agree with the blaming teachers altogether, but he has a point that after 15 years of schooling, we should have a high fluency of Irish.
Rasheed wrote: » My opening line is bullshiit?
dizzywizlw wrote: » Here's one People who spell their name as gaelige when their birthcert is in english are pretentious twats.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » You said overpaid and implied not doing their job. This, to me, implies dossing, but we'll agree to disagree on the word dosser and go back to the oher points you'd have "no problem discussing". 1 - In what specific way are teachers responsiible for poor standards of Irish? 2 - You say "Englsih is also being badly taught". Can you verify this? 3 - In what specific way are teachers responsible for poor standards of English? 4 - Do you know how much a primary school teacher earns without having to look it up? He doesn't have a point, his post was bull****. Not particularly you first line - sorry for the misunderstanding.
Mardy Bum wrote: » Parents need to stop blaming teachers ([SIZE="1"]obviously criticism in some circumstances is valid[/SIZE]) and actively start helping their kids learn whether it be reading a book with them every night or checking over their homework. Learning is not something which starts at 9.30 and stops at 3.00. It is up to parents to place a greater interest in their children's education. Intelligence is malleable and children should know this from a young age and should be encouraged for their effort. It's not a call for summer schools but it is a call for parents to at least make an effort with helping their children to learn especially at primary school.
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » Well if my posts are BS then you obviously know it all and don't need answers. Very immature.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » Thought you said you would have "no problem discussing this"? Where exactly is this "bad teaching" you talk of?
The_Kew_Tour wrote: » I have no problem discussing it with person willing to have Civilised argument so something from your posts you have not done. I was not first person either to point out that you quoted posts incorrectly.
Ikky Poo2 wrote: » He doesn't have a point, his post was bull****. Not particularly you first line - sorry for the misunderstanding.
