Orim wrote: » 5 chicken breasts would get you one meal? I'd use 2. And no it's not doormice, it's 4 people. But having thought about a touch I was including days when something else would be done or on, I'll downgrade my estimate to 2 weeks (give or take) With the caveat that I am buying other things such as veg and what nots. The point is that a lot of what's being bandied around as poverty is poor money management or ridiculous expectations. Poverty is an extreme word and should be kept for extreme situations. Change the roast dinner question to "Can you afford to eat everyday and pay your bills?" Change the going out question to something "Can you afford return bus fare from your house?" (Extreme example but I can't think of a better one off the top of my head. I recognise that people need to socialise but this just going question is far too loose and open to spurious definetions. I wouldn't say I've gone out for a couple of weeks now because I would consider "going out" going on the lash and spending 100 to 150 quid but I've been to a couple of friends houses in the last few weeks and been to the pub for the rugby.)
fishy fishy wrote: » yes but according to the person on here who thinks 20K is fabulous, he/she also thinks that people are idiots for having kids - says it all really.
Aiyana Microscopic Sergeant wrote: » That's not what they said.
mhge wrote: » It's all about the lifestyle. I know a couple where one of them is a SPAR employee and the other SPAR "manager" (senior employee really). That's not far off 20k each I guess, but they have two kids and cope perfectly. No private schools or fancy cars that's for sure, but they are all fed, clothed, socialised and even go on an odd foreign holiday home swapping. Kids are well familiar with museums, parks and the coast.
CreepingDeath wrote: » There's plenty of ways to socialise outside of the pub, including inviting people around for a cup of tea. If you're unemployed there might be walking groups / mother & toddler groups etc. If your "friends" will only ever meet you in the pub, then they're not very good friends at all. It's bad enough that the middle class/coping class have to financially carry all the unemployed, without having to pick up their bar tab as well.
lazygal wrote: » http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a-quarter-of-population-cant-afford-winter-coat-or-night-out-with-friends-29068735.html Is not being able to afford a night out really 'deprivation'?
awec wrote: » "Anti-poverty groups have warned that one in four of the population are unable to afford at least two items generally considered necessary, including a warm winter coat, a night out, a roast once a week or home heating." Only 2 things on that list could be considered necessary, a winter coat and home heating. The others are luxuries, pure and simple.
fishy fishy wrote: » the relevant words in this post is "I guess". you are guessing right? the fact may be a lot different.
fishy fishy wrote: » i was being polite........this is exactly what he said Did anyone put a gun to your head and told you: you have to have kids, huge stupid mortgage which makes no sence? NO! You wanted kids? Then think in advance how you will pay for that pleasure. :rolleyes: ahh if only life was so simple.
mike65 wrote: » The definitions of poverty become more "wussie" by the year. Soon not being able to afford a 12 pack of Dutch Gold will be proof of penury.
summerskin wrote: » nope. 500g of mince for a spag bol, or lasagne, or meat and potato pie. therefore 2 meals from 1kg.
mark renton wrote: » How many pounds in a kilo?
fishy fishy wrote: » i hope you drank tap water in the pub. or else looked through the window from the outside at your friends. getting a bus twice per day will add up to a lot more than a couple of drinks in a pub. but then again I suppose if they used the "bus ticket" example in the survey there would be people on here saying "oh I remember I used to walk uphill to school everyday with a bag of coal on my back in me bare feet in two feet of snow". :roll eyes: the usual crap. oh, and even with the "guesstimate" on the food items bring brought down to two weeks - still doesn't work.
summerskin wrote: » 2.2 Pounds per kilo. So a whopping 1.1lb in my spag bol.
Orim wrote: » Nope I drank a couple of pints of cider. But I'm not the on claiming that I'm poverty stricken.And I'm certain the meat would last, the cost of veg, rice etc. might be expensive for the full family, I've only ever cooked the occasional meal for my family so I can't say for certain. I was going to go back on the bus fare but it's too pedantic. My point is that povertry should describe fairly extreme situations and certainly shouldn't be bandied about after such a wishy-washy study.
Quin_Dub wrote: » Does anybody know how they calculate "Disposable Income" in these kinds of reports? What included/excluded? When I think of "disposable" income, it's what's left after all bills and general expenses are paid up. I wouldn't consider myself to have anything like the "disposable income" figures they are talking about in the article..I also wouldn't consider my self deprived of anything that I really need or want either.
mark renton wrote: » You cant put 1.1 pound of mince into spag bol - thats a mince mountain your making
awec wrote: » You can put 1.1 lbs in there - that's about the amount of mince you'd use to feed about 6 people.
Geuze wrote: » In economics, disp income is after tax and social transfers. It's before you spend on anything, or save.
summerskin wrote: » you'd use about 80g of meat per person??? jesus, my kids are young, we're a fit healthy family and we use a minimum of 450g for a spag bol, chilli or anything with mince really.
summerskin wrote: » ok, i've a family of 4, and a standard chicken meal(curry, or pan-fried breasts etc) would require a minimum of 4 breasts. do you really think half a breast each would be enough for a meal? a simple way to look at it is that each person needs at least 1/4lb of meat on the plate of a normal meat dinner, making 1lb (approx 4) chicken fillets. Same principal for a pound of mince, or for pork chops etc. And no, you can't "fill up on veg or bread", we need then protein, kids especially.
Material Deprivation This measures when people are deprived, through lack of income, of basic items or activities taken to be the norm in Irish society. People are considered materially deprived when they are unable to afford two or more basic necessities from an 11 item list, which includes two pairs of strong shoes; a warm waterproof overcoat; buy new not second-hand clothes; eat meal with meat, chicken or fish (vegetarian equivalent) every second day; have a roast joint or its equivalent once a week; had to go without heating during the last year through lack of money; keep the home adequately warm; presents for family or friends at least once a year; replace any worn out furniture; have family or friends for a drink or meal once a month; and have a morning, afternoon or evening out in the last fortnight, for entertainment. Material deprivation is enforced deprivation as distinct from elected deprivation i.e. the situation where a personal choice is made not to have the items.
pmcmahon wrote: » The poverty line is,if an unexpected NECESSITY arises (shoes for the kids etc) and you can't afford it,then you're in poverty.
At-risk-of-poverty This measure is also known as relative poverty or income poverty. It measures individuals who have an income that is below 60 per cent of the median income (the median is the midpoint on the scale of incomes in Ireland). In 2010, that was an income of below €207.57 a week for an adult.
