Lelantos wrote: » Is that why we don't see the Black & White Minstrels on tv anymore?
WileyCoyote wrote: » Utter rubbish! Please define OUR culture , actually please define who the OUR are!
Henlars67 wrote: » They are considered racist, no idea why. Some well-off white person who spends their lives getting offended on behalf of others probably decided that black people should be offended by them and that was that.
Princess Zelda wrote: » Bit o'Noddy research was needed, and came across this delightful article from the Independent no less. Apparently "When negotiations began two years ago to screen a television version of the Noddy stories in America, Big Ears ran into problems. The network showing the programmes "could not be seen to sustain discrimination" against people with large ears. So they called him White Beard instead."
Smidge wrote: » AfAICR wasn't there something similar with "Thomas the tank engine" in the states also? They don't call the "Fat Controller" the "Fat Controller":eek: He's called something odd(cant recall at the mo)
MetzgerMeister wrote: » The normal controller? :pac:
Smidge wrote: » "The Controller.... who went to weight watchers and is no longer ....Fat":P
MetzgerMeister wrote: » Not at all!! To Europeans, he's fat....to Americans he's normal
baaah wrote: » I can remember this programme from the 60s on BBC when I was in my teens. It was very popular , mainly for the music (not my thing by the way !), but my parents (RIP) loved the singing. I believe it went on until the early 80s.
minidazzler wrote: » eeny meany mineie mo...catch a ni**er by the toe..... God damn parents...
The golliwog image, popular in England and other European countries, is found on a variety of items, including postcards, jam jars, paperweights, brooches, wallets, perfume bottles, wooden puzzles, sheet music, wall paper, pottery, jewelry, greeting cards, clocks, and dolls. For the past four decades Europeans have debated whether the Golliwog is a lovable icon or a racist symbol. The Golliwog began life as a story book character created by Florence Kate Upton. Upton was born in 1873 in Flushing, New York, to English parents who had emigrated to the United States in 1870. She was the second of four children. When Upton was fourteen, her father died and, shortly thereafter, the family returned to England. For several years she honed her skills as an artist. Unable to afford art school, Upton illustrated her own children's book in the hope of raising tuition money. In 1895, her book, entitled The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls, was published in London. Upton drew the illustrations, and her mother, Bertha Upton, wrote the accompanying verse. The book's main characters were two Dutch dolls, Peg and Sarah Jane, and the Golliwogg. The story begins with Peg and Sara Jane, on the loose in a toy shop, encountering "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome." The little black "gnome" wore bright red trousers, a red bow tie on a high collared white shirt, and a blue swallow-tailed coat. He was a caricature of American black faced minstrels -- in effect, the caricature of a caricature. She named him Golliwogg. The Golliwogg was based on a Black minstrel doll that Upton had played with as a small child in New York. The then-nameless "Negro minstrel doll" was treated roughly by the Upton children. Upton reminiscenced: "Seated upon a flowerpot in the garden, his kindly face was a target for rubber balls..., the game being to knock him over backwards. It pains me now to think of those little rag legs flying ignominiously over his head, yet that was a long time ago, and before he had become a personality.... We knew he was ugly!" (Johnson).
During the first half of the twentieth century, the Golliwog doll was a favorite children's soft toy in Europe. Only the Teddy Bear exceeded the Golliwog in popularity. Small children slept with their black dolls. Many white Europeans still speak with nostalgic sentiment about their childhood gollies. Sir Kenneth Clark, the noted art historian, claimed that the Golliwogs of his childhood were, "examples of chivalry, far more persuasive than the unconvincing Knights of the Arthurian legend" (Johnson, n.d., p. 3). The French composer Claude Debussy was so enthralled by the Golliwogs in his daughter's books that one movement of his Children's Corner Suite is entitled "The Golliwog's Cakewalk" (Johnson, n.d., p. 3). The Golliwog was a mixture of bravery, adventurousness, and love -- for white children. In the 1960s relations between blacks and whites in England were often characterized by conflict. This racial antagonism resulted from many factors, including: the arrival of increasing numbers of colored immigrants; minorities' unwillingness to accommodate themselves to old patterns of racial and ethnic subordination; and, the fear among many whites that England was losing its national character. British culture was also influenced by images -- often brutal -- of racial conflict occurring in the United States. In this climate the Golliwog doll and other Golliwog emblems were seen as symbols of racial insensitivity. Many books containing Golliwogs were withdrawn from public libraries, and the manufacturing of Golliwog dolls dwindled as the demand for Golliwogs decreased. Many items with Golliwog images were destroyed. Despite much criticism, James Robertson & Sons did not discontinue its use of the Golliwog as a mascot. The Camden Committee for Community Relations led a petition drive for signatures to send to the Robertson Company. The National Committee on Racism in Children's Books also publicly criticized Robertson's use of the Golly in its advertising. Other organizations called for a boycott of Robertson's products; nevertheless, the company has continued to use the Golliwog as its trademark in many countries, including the United Kingdom, although it was removed from Robertson's packaging in the United States, Canada, and Hong Kong. In many ways the campaign to ban Golliwogs was similar to the American campaign against Little Black Sambo. In both cases racial minorities and sympathetic whites argued that these images demeaned blacks and hurt the psyches of minority children. Civil rights organizations led both campaigns, and white civic and political leaders eventually joined the effort to ban the offensive caricatures. In the anti-Golliwog campaign, numerous British parliamentarians publicly lambasted the Golliwog image as racist, including, Tony Benn, Shirley Williams, and David Owen (MacGregor, 1992, p. 29).
nlgbbbblth wrote: » Complete myth usually uttered by people who say "it's political correctness gone mad".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness#False_accusations Nothing wrong with using black. 1) Ever heard of James Brown? SAY IT LOUD I'M BLACK AND I'M PROUD. 2) Black Music awards 3) A book I saw recently - "Growing up black in Britain".
Madam_X wrote: » Young, Gifted and Black - famous song.
Madam_X wrote: » Don't know anyone who has a problem with "blackboard" or "black bag". It's just a myth that these cause offence.
stefan idiot jones wrote: » In the U.K about ten years ago letters were ditributed within schools to parents advising them of the taboo names.
WindSock wrote: » You called your dog cu.ntfu.cker?
Morag wrote: » What do you think, are golliwogs linked intrinsically to imperialism, genocide, slavery and racism or just a kids toy?
rolliepoley wrote: » In the seventies we used to have this dog a black labradore and we called him ******, the hole street new him and called him by that name, we were none the wiser back then.
Morag wrote: » I guess European take on the Golliwog had been very different then the Americas were vast slavery happened.
HTML5! wrote: » Chocolate is racist! Especially chocolate mice! They had a reddish, pink goo inside them, not entirely unlike blood and organs. They were trying to say: black people are rodents!
![Photo of [Deleted User]](https://w3.vanillicon.com/v2/3bf46be0cf79f0bb3512ceb2702cfaa0.svg)
