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Restaurant bans children...

davet82

A Dublin restaurant has instituted a lunchtime ban on babies, on the basis of ‘health and safety reasons’.

A young mother was refused a table at Belluci’s of Ballsbridge because she had a sleeping newborn with her. 26 year old Jennifer kerrisk told the paper that she felt like she could ‘burst into tears with embarrassment’ when asked to leave.

The restaurant, which is owned by famed nightclub owner Robbie Fox justified its actions, saying that the reason that they do not allow babies in the venue between 12pm and 2pm was that it is really busy and that they have lost business due to complaints during those hours.

Spokesperson for the Restaurants Association, Adrian Cummins, said that owners are entitled to refuse children as part of their health and safety policy.

I think this is pretty shítty but this would be music to some peoples ears that I know...

Could this be classed as discrimination or possibly ageist?

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Sofiztikated

Tombo2001 wrote: »

When they are ready to do it.

You tell me when that is.

When they're ready? When they are ready?!

What if they are never ready? Just let them do what they want until they turn into ... well, into what there are too ****ing much of in this country. People that don't know how to ****ing behave.

This "Oh, I'm their bestest friend" idea of parenting that you seem to have is ****ing idiotic.

Children need to be taught manners, how to behave in certain situations, and how to deal with other people. This is best done when they are young, they pick it up quickly.

I hope you don't have children. For the sake of the people that have to deal with them

[Deleted User]

Sofiztikated wrote: »

When they're ready? When they are ready?!

What if they are never ready? Just let them do what they want until they turn into ... well, into what there are too ****ing much of in this country. People that don't know how to ****ing behave.

This "Oh, I'm their bestest friend" idea of parenting that you seem to have is ****ing idiotic.

Children need to be taught manners, how to behave in certain situations, and how to deal with other people. This is best done when they are young, they pick it up quickly.

I hope you don't have children. For the sake of the people that have to deal with them

Don't be silly, just leave them alone til they figure out how to change their own nappies.

humanji

CreepingDeath wrote: »

And men urinating in public aren't showing off their penis.
If they urinate directly into a sewer I don't see the problem.

Stop trolling.

Morph the Cat

I have 2 kids, and I fully support his right to allow whomever he wants eat in his restaurant.
I bring my kids to child-friendly restaurants. And if somewhere has a ban on kids, I'll keep it in mind, and probably go there next time it's just myself & my wife dining out. That's the great thing about having choices.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. His restaurant - his rules. Go somewhere else.

Killer Wench

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I see what you mean.
Looks disgusting, right out of a porn movie:
http://media.canada.com/eec3adc1-7c27-4a80-ab19-a08ab095007b/nursein.jpg

Look, you probably have no idea how a woman actually does it but contrary to popular belief, she usually is far more embarrassed about things than you do and doesn't want her boobs on display so she'll do what she can to cover up as much as possible.

As stated, I have friends who are militant about it and one even participated in a breast-feeding sit-in at a local mall in which a large group of breastfeeding women stood in front of the entrance while feeding their kid. Secondly, my mother breastfed my youngest sibling. I remember sitting at home and she would breast feed while sitting on the couch or anywhere she wanted around family, but if she needed to do it while in public, she excused herself and went to one of those family bathrooms (if available) or the couch in the women's room (if available) or the women's handicap stall. Plus, she always had an extra bit of formula in case she was someplace where she could not do it. My older sisters breastfed and they followed my mother's example. I would like to breastfeed and I will follow my mother's example. There are many large chain stores and malls that now have restricted areas for families, so I plan on using them. If not, I will always have a bottle of available in a small cooler.

Now, as I said, I don't mind if a woman is breastfeeding in public, but move discreetly out of line to do so. Maybe they do that where you are from, but there are plenty of women who do not do it here. I have seen breastfeeding while standing in line at Subway, sitting on a packed commuter train, and so on.

Tombi!

Killer Wench wrote: »

As stated, I have friends who are militant about it and one even participated in a breast-feeding sit-in at a local mall in which a large group of breastfeeding women stood in front of the entrance while feeding their kid. Secondly, my mother breastfed my youngest sibling. I remember sitting at home and she would breast feed while sitting on the couch or anywhere she wanted around family, but if she needed to do it while in public, she excused herself and went to one of those family bathrooms (if available) or the couch in the women's room (if available) or the women's handicap stall. Plus, she always had an extra bit of formula in case she was someplace where she could not do it. My older sisters breastfed and they followed my mother's example. I would like to breastfeed and I will follow my mother's example. There are many large chain stores and malls that now have restricted areas for families, so I plan on using them. If not, I will always have a bottle of available in a small cooler.

Now, as I said, I don't mind if a woman is breastfeeding in public, but move discreetly out of line to do so. Maybe they do that where you are from, but there are plenty of women who do not do it here. I have seen breastfeeding while standing in line at Subway, sitting on a packed commuter train, and so on.

Yeah but once it's covered up I don't really see the problem. If the girl has her boobs on display then sure, tell her to move or else cover up but once it's covered up why can't she do it?

old hippy

davet82 wrote: »

depends on the childs age tbf

most churches have segragated areas for children now which i think is great for everyone

Especially the children, all things considered :eek::eek:

Frank Black

Killer Wench wrote: »

Am I afraid of a breast, nipple, and a baby feeding? No. Am I appalled when a woman I am conversing with begins nursing her child during our conversation? Yes, but I am equally appalled if that same person opened their big mouth and took a bite of a Big Mac and continued to eat in front of me. I was reared to believe that eating together was a social activity, and community feeds and conversation are the norm, but I was also reared to believe that eating in front of someone who isn't eating is rude, unless you ask them before hand, "do you mind if I take a bite or whip my breast out to feed my child?".

Really by your logic the baby should be asking your permission.

It must be awkward for anyone who's eating if you suddenly wander into the vicinity.

"Do you mind if I take a bite".

Killer Wench

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Yeah but once it's covered up I don't really see the problem. If the girl has her boobs on display then sure, tell her to move or else cover up but once it's covered up why can't she do it?

Why can't she move to the side? I wouldn't appreciate someone carrying on a conversation with their mouth half full of partially digested food, either. It's simple. Be respectful to the other person. You may or may not be comfortable, but the other person may or may not be comfortable.

lazygal

Who would expect a baby to eat in a bathroom? Hardly a sanitary place for anyone to eat, especially a baby with an immature immune system. Some of those icky about feeding a baby naturally would want to get over themselves. No wonder breastfeeding rates are low if women are supposed to feed their children in environments no one else would eat in.

bullvine

Froyo wrote: »

I will say this re funerals:

Recently I was at funeral for my friend's mother. The eulogy was about 20 words in when a child started screaming.

Sadly for the family of the deceased, Dad waited a few minutes before bringing his child outside.

This is unacceptable behaviour from the parent - and this is where the problems lie.

This is what I was talking about and why I brought it up, obviously if its a close family member to the person who has passed it gets a bit more complicated. My Step mother in law died during the summer and somebody was down the back with a screaming baby, took them about 15mins to leave, they we're not a close relative, just somebody who happened to know them from the road they lived on. You could barely hear the sermon or readings or anything with this child. At a lot of the funerals I have been at, this seems to be a regular occurrence. Its just so damn selfish and ignorant. If the child is behaving or a sleep that's fine but when they kick off don't spend 15 mins trying to calm them, just take them outside..

Tombi!

Killer Wench wrote: »

Why can't she move to the side? I wouldn't appreciate someone carrying on a conversation with their mouth half full of partially digested food, either. It's simple. Be respectful to the other person. You may or may not be comfortable, but the other person may or may not be comfortable.

Well what if I'm not comfortable with your clothing are you to move out of my sight because I'm uncomfortable?

Killer Wench

black francis wrote: »

Really by your logic the baby should be asking your permission.

It must be awkward for anyone who's eating if you suddenly wander into the vicinity.

"Do you mind if I take a bite".

Hell yeah, they should. If I walk up on someone who is eating, I have the courtesy for them to ask if it is a good time or not, and if they shake no, then I move on and come back later. If they shake their head yes, I wait until the swallow and ask me what's up.

krudler

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Thats fine, I absolutely agree with you.

Thats why I am saying, parents should bring their kids to places where they can run around.

What is the dispute here?

The Lighthouse runs a parent and child screening of movies on Wednesday and Saturday mornings?

Would you have a problem if someone brought their kids to this?

To the other poster....

Why do you think training a five year old to sit down quietly for an hour is parenting? What in that is parenting?

Thats training them to suppress their own little characters and personalities, purely for the benefit of adults they dont even know....

How is that parenting?

No, but I wouldnt go to parent and child screening of something, hows that even relevant? are you seriously saying its ok to let kids run riot wherever they want just because its their nature? no wonder there's so many spoilt little sh1ts around.

Killer Wench

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well what if I'm not comfortable with your clothing are you to move out of my sight because I'm uncomfortable?

Wearing clothing is the same as eating in front of someone? Okay, I'll play. There are plenty of stores, schools, military bases, etc. that have dress codes. They post them on the door and they can enforce them. I have been in places where managers have asked men and women to leave because of their attire.

I have big breasts and a normal shirt on another woman looks fine, but on me, a v-neck makes me look like I am trying to flash myself. So, I avoid v-necks depending on the time, place, and appropriateness.

Killer Wench

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Well what if I'm not comfortable with your clothing are you to move out of my sight because I'm uncomfortable?

I have put on a jacket when I notice people's gaze returning again and again to my breasts.

Tombi!

Killer Wench wrote: »

Wearing clothing is the same as eating in front of someone? Okay, I'll play. There are plenty of stores, schools, military bases, etc. that have dress codes. They post them on the door and they can enforce them. I have been in places where managers have asked men and women to leave because of their attire.

I have big breasts and a normal shirt on another woman looks fine, but on me, a v-neck makes me look like I am trying to flash myself. So, I avoid v-necks depending on the time, place, and appropriateness.

No, it's the same thing because it's completely normal.
A baby is being fed. You are being fed.
The only difference is how it's done.
A better example would be if you were drinking from a straw and I told you not to because I was annoyed by it.

Would you stop it?

Killer Wench

lazygal wrote: »

Who would expect a baby to eat in a bathroom? Hardly a sanitary place for anyone to eat, especially a baby with an immature immune system. Some of those icky about feeding a baby naturally would want to get over themselves. No wonder breastfeeding rates are low if women are supposed to feed their children in environments no one else would eat in.

This is the inside of a family restroom. The actual toilet stalls have their own doors and are away from the sitting area. I've ate in worst places and have lived to talk about them:
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ye585zAAPbxx3PcAWb4hGw/l.jpg

Tombo2001

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I hope you don't have children. For the sake of the people that have to deal with them

Looks like you never grew up yourself you offensive prick.

Tombo2001

krudler wrote: »

No, but I wouldnt go to parent and child screening of something, hows that even relevant? are you seriously saying its ok to let kids run riot wherever they want just because its their nature? no wonder there's so many spoilt little sh1ts around.

ok forget it.......I'm agreeing with you and you still want to argue.....

much like a child, ironically.

Killer Wench

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

No, it's the same thing because it's completely normal.
A baby is being fed. You are being fed.
The only difference is how it's done.
A better example would be if you were drinking from a straw and I told you not to because I was annoyed by it.

Would you stop it?

Yes, I went to college with someone with a noise sensitivity. I also had a friend who was allergic to cold water so I learned to adapt. Myself - I have a tree nut allergy and I am quite vocal that there are certain things that I cannot consume. My sister - on the other hand - has a shellfish allergy and the smell of lobster/crab will have her break out in hives and cause her throat to swell.

I respect people who voice their boundaries and I certainly hope that people have the same respect to allow me my own.

hatrickpatrick

I really feel sorry for people who don't like kids. When and how did they become so uptight?

Tombi!

Killer Wench wrote: »

Yes, I went to college with someone with a noise sensitivity. I also had a friend who was allergic to cold water so I learned to adapt. Myself - I have a tree nut allergy and I am quite vocal that there are certain things that I cannot consumer. My sister - on the other hand - has a shellfish allergy and the smell of lobster/crab will have her break out in hives and cause her throat to swell.

I respect people who voice their boundaries and I certainly hope that people have the same respect to allow me my own.

So in what way does breast feeding cause you to suffer?

bullvine

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I really feel sorry for people who don't like kids. When and how did they become so uptight?

Kids Rock! I have 2 of em but you have to realize not everyone is the same.

They are the future though

[Deleted User]

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

When and how did they become so uptight?

Probably to do with being condescended to.

BizzyC

Allowing a child to run around and "follow their nature" all of the time is not parenting, that's a lack there of.
Children need boundaries just as much as they need freedom. How's a child supposed to know that standing on a chair and singing in the middle of a dinner isn't acceptable unless the parent is willing to correct the behavior.

I think kids are great, but there are some occasions when I'd prefer not to have one imposed on me by a parent who doesn't want to control their child.

Also, it's the people without kids who have more disposable income to go to restaurants on a regular basis.
Allowing children in there during certain hours could seriously impact their business.

lazygal

Killer Wench wrote: »

This is the inside of a family restroom. The actual toilet stalls have their own doors and are away from the sitting area. I've ate in worst places and have lived to talk about them:
http://s3-media1.ak.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/ye585zAAPbxx3PcAWb4hGw/l.jpg

I'll still tell you where to go if you told me to feed my child in a family restroom. Seriously, what's the big deal about feeding a child?

Dodge

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably to do with being condescended to.

By kids? Thats weird

Killer Wench

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

So in what way does breast feeding cause you to suffer?

I shall repeat. I believe it is discourteous to eat (or in this case, nurse) in front of someone without giving them the opportunity to excuse themselves or yourself from the conversation. If I was in a friend's house and they began to nurse, I would offer to excuse myself because I would feel it was an intimate moment between a mother and child within their home. My friends - being my friends - respect that.

Tombi!

Killer Wench wrote: »

I shall repeat. I believe it is discourteous to eat (or in this case, nurse) in front of someone without giving them the opportunity to excuse themselves or yourself from the conversation. If I was in a friend's house and they began to nurse, I would offer to excuse myself because I would feel it was an intimate moment between a mother and child within their home. My friends - being my friends - respect that.

So... leave if they do it?