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HMV closing (again)

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Well Its not a Film thread as such but this is bad news for some

I am one who likes to have a physical copy of a film, I have them all on display

So the only retailers to sell Blu Rays/ DVDs are Tower Records, and Xtravision

Does anyone buy online using Amazon,Play?

Anyway a linky to the source - LINKY

Update July 2016:

They are closing again. See this post.

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wampyrus77

HMV should have sold all their stuff before they closed down for good

wampyrus77

HMV was good value for wii u games,

Gamestop charges about €69.99 for like of Call of Duty®: Black Ops 2 , 007 Legends, Assassins Creed III.

while in HMV they were €56.99 for like of Call of Duty®: Black Ops 2 , 007 Legends, Assassins Creed III.

HMV also vouches €5 discounts when u spend €35+ u get €5 of this purchase. I cant use these vouchers anymore.

wampyrus77

they even wont open their stores

i plenty which could they have sold before closed all their across ireland, what will happen stuff they didnt sell

Aidric

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm surprised when people actually start believing that Deloitte are there to help the company survive. Make no mistake, they are there to get as much as they can fir themselves and for the bank. I know someone who had dealings with then after they took over a company and they went out of their way to sell off the company stock and machinery asap even though the company was in a great position to survive. If they see more profit for themselves in shutting HMV down then they will do their best to make sure those doors are shut sooner rather than later.

If the company has a reasonable chance of survival then the administrator has a duty to realise this. If however this eventuality appears impossible then the administrator has to maximise a return for the creditors.

[Deleted User]

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Interesting article from The Guardian here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2013/jan/25/hmv-british-indie-cinema?intcmp=ILCMUSTXT9387

Some industry insiders reflecting on how the dominance of supermarkets - which TBH are basically devoid of anything other than blockbusters and DTV-schlock - and Amazon puts both bigger and smaller distributors in a tight spot. Even if Amazon is responsible for 75% of sales, the hypothetical 25% loss from play, HMV etc... may be deciding percentage of a film breaking even or not.

Similarly, Deloitte's initial offer to suppliers added insult to injury: http://www.cueentertainment.com/suppliers-scorn-deloitte-offer-as-hilco-moves-in/

I'm surprised when people actually start believing that Deloitte are there to help the company survive. Make no mistake, they are there to get as much as they can fir themselves and for the bank. I know someone who had dealings with then after they took over a company and they went out of their way to sell off the company stock and machinery asap even though the company was in a great position to survive. If they see more profit for themselves in shutting HMV down then they will do their best to make sure those doors are shut sooner rather than later.

johnny_ultimate

Interesting article from The Guardian here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/filmblog/2013/jan/25/hmv-british-indie-cinema?intcmp=ILCMUSTXT9387

Some industry insiders reflecting on how the dominance of supermarkets - which TBH are basically devoid of anything other than blockbusters and DTV-schlock - and Amazon puts both bigger and smaller distributors in a tight spot. Even if Amazon is responsible for 75% of sales, the hypothetical 25% loss from play, HMV etc... may be deciding percentage of a film breaking even or not.

Similarly, Deloitte's initial offer to suppliers added insult to injury: http://www.cueentertainment.com/suppliers-scorn-deloitte-offer-as-hilco-moves-in/

Technocentral

Renn wrote: »

Were you ever really going to buy those boxsets?

Yes, some examples: Had seasons 1,2,3, and 7 of Voyager was going to get the rest (sold them, extras not up to much anyway), all on Netflix, have all three seasons of original Trek, keeping them because of extras but watch the "HD" versions all on Netflix, have 1 to 6 of Cheers, was going to get rest (only on region 1) no need now as extras are minimal and all on Netflix, had the "Miniseries" of Battlestar and Season 1, all on Netflix etc, etc

BTw still buying Blu Rays when I love the film AND it has decent extras, recent example "Tinker, Tailor..." great extras on it too.

Renn

Technocentral wrote: »

Netflix has definitely cut into my DVD/Blu Ray buying, especially for tv shows like Cheers, Battlestar and Star Trek and also for films that I'll watch a few times but amn't crazy about.

Were you ever really going to buy those boxsets?

Oafley Jones

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Actually the stats were posted in AH last week, the majority are buying physical copies of films and the minority are downloading

That won't change for me till they manage to have decent downloads without artefacting.

[Deleted User]

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

And here come the ripple effects From Third Window, one of the few remaining dedicated distributors of interesting, quality Asian releases.

Another kick in the arse for a small independent distributor that's already struggling, and another reason for fans of international cinema to despair. This is why I get frustrated by misconceptions like 'physical media is dead' - its the only way many of us can access the films we want to see with decent translations and transfers. The big studios will always overcome, but the less avenues available for niche, world and independent cinema the worse it is for those of us who want to enjoy and support a wider spectrum of film.

The good news is that HMV UK are safe with Hilco buying up their debt yesterday. With a decent restructure the majority of stores should remain open for the foreseeable future. The bad news is that HMV Ireland remains pretty much dead, with the news that the Irush stores may be liable for much of the UK debt the chances if HMV ever having a presence in Ireland is unlikely.

johnny_ultimate

And here come the ripple effects

From Third Window, one of the few remaining dedicated distributors of interesting, quality Asian releases.

Due to the current uncertainty of HMV/FOPP/PLAY.COM/BLOCKBUSTER and the current mess of the UK entertainment market, we have to push back some of our 2013 releases.

Takashi Miike's FOR LOVE'S SAKE - will be pushed back to JUNE 10th

Kiyoshi Kurosawa's EYES OF THE SPIDER / SERPENT'S PATH will be moved to late summer. Release date TBC

VULGARIA will keep its April 15th release date

Everything else on hold.

We are in a very bad position, as is the UK market so please bear with us and please place your orders with AMAZON for now as they seem to be one of the only places that are going as usual.

Another kick in the arse for a small independent distributor that's already struggling, and another reason for fans of international cinema to despair. This is why I get frustrated by misconceptions like 'physical media is dead' - its the only way many of us can access the films we want to see with decent translations and transfers. The big studios will always overcome, but the less avenues available for niche, world and independent cinema the worse it is for those of us who want to enjoy and support a wider spectrum of film.

GastroBoy

Technocentral wrote: »

They are putting their rental prices up?! Commercial suicide in a recession, never mind in one where streaming and downloads are taking over, bizarre.

Yep, was a bit of a shocker alright. They are trying to force you to get the 3 movies for 3 nights thing, which is a tenner. But to be honest there is hardly ever 1 movie there you want to see let alone 3.

It is actually cheaper now, factoring petrol cost etc.., to get movies from UPC on demand, which is a shame as it was always a bit of craic going and picking up your movie

Technocentral

GastroBoy wrote: »

Sad to see them go, alway enjoyed having a look around the cd's and dvds.
Most likely its the start of the end for such places, I cant imagine Xtra-Vision will be far behind, especially now that they have jacked up the price of a rental to 5 euro.

They are putting their rental prices up?! Commercial suicide in a recession, never mind in one where streaming and downloads are taking over, bizarre.

Technocentral

Netflix has definitely cut into my DVD/Blu Ray buying, especially for tv shows like Cheers, Battlestar and Star Trek and also for films that I'll watch a few times but amn't crazy about. I still splash out on the odd Blu Rays of the really good ones if the extras really justify it.

GastroBoy

Sad to see them go, alway enjoyed having a look around the cd's and dvds.
Most likely its the start of the end for such places, I cant imagine Xtra-Vision will be far behind, especially now that they have jacked up the price of a rental to 5 euro.

Sad Professor

iTunes is looking more and more appealing everyday. However, I'm still reluctant to purchase from it due to the DRM and the way studios keep pulling or limiting content as part of exclusivity deals.

DirkVoodoo

thebostoncrab wrote: »

Actually the stats were posted in AH last week, the majority are buying physical copies of films and the minority are downloading

Then it's clearly not a representative sample, otherwise HMV would still be in business.

Did this survey ask were people buying their physical copies from bricks and mortar shops or online?

We may be slightly behind the curve, but it's the way it is heading. People were still buying VHS to record TV shows after DVD came out, it didn't mean that VHS was going to survive.

To be honest, I love physical copies too. Nothing beats unwrapping that cellophane for the first time and popping a disc into the DVD player. I held off on digital for a while because I didn't feel safe that someone else was in control of my movie/music collection, I wanted it in my hands in case society collapsed and I would have to ride out the apocalypse watching Game of Thrones.

But then I looked at a cupboard FULL of VHS tapes that aren't used anymore and I realised, even owning the physical copy doesn't mean an awful lot. How many people bought into the HD DVD side when it wasn't clear cut which format was going to survive?

I'm not going to even open any piracy can-of-worms here, but the industry needs to take note that when something like iTunes comes along and shows that people are happy to pay for something over pirating it (in my direct experience anyway), it completely blows away any idea that people are cheap and want to steal to save money. People mostly pirate because it gives them what they want quickly and easily (like iTunes), you don't have to jump through a whole load of hoops, create multiple accounts (Ultraviolet) or find that the music/movie you have purchased is difficult to access. Click-done.

McLoughlin

HMV closing and most other similar places has very little to do with downloading (legal and illegal) its down to the inability to compete with online retailers. The argument that downloading is ruining things is just over exaggerated

I remember from the late 80s to the early 00s with VHS and DVD constantly seeing films advertised in my local cinema or in magazines that never appeared on the shelf of my local shops. I would go in asked about these films they would try to order them in and most of the time after a few weeks nothing would turn up or a rather expensive copy would arrive (I can recall paying up to 40 punt for stuff)

Blackstar and Ebay were the first 2 places I started buying online and very rarely buy instore nowerdays. Xtravision used to be a great place for buying films as they were divided into genres an chances are you could find some gems but now al it sells is "Top 10" and "Ex Retail".

thebostoncrab

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

I agree. I much prefer having an actual tangible collection, but HMV and the likes can't to stay in business just to satisfy the demand of a minority that's decreasing by the year.

Actually the stats were posted in AH last week, the majority are buying physical copies of films and the minority are downloading

Banjaxed82

Marty McFly wrote: »

There may be more and more people downloading but there is still also demand for the physical product aswell from people like myself. I hate downloading films and would much rather own the blu ray.

I agree. I much prefer having an actual tangible collection, but HMV and the likes can't to stay in business just to satisfy the demand of a minority that's decreasing by the year.

Marty McFly

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

The film bigwigs would sell their granny if it meant keeping a physical product on the shelves. The sooner they accept that film is going the same route as music, the better for all concerned. Obviously not for HMV workers, etc.

There may be more and more people downloading but there is still also demand for the physical product aswell from people like myself. I hate downloading films and would much rather own the blu ray.

Banjaxed82

Technocentral wrote: »

Universal and Sony etc are reducing CD and DVD prices in attempt to "rescue" HMV apparently.

http://www.nme.com/news/hmv/68267

The film bigwigs would sell their granny if it meant keeping a physical product on the shelves. The sooner they accept that film is going the same route as music, the better for all concerned. Obviously not for HMV workers, etc.

Technocentral

Universal and Sony etc are reducing CD and DVD prices in attempt to "rescue" HMV apparently.

http://www.nme.com/news/hmv/68267

Technocentral

Jimmy Carr had a few funny lines re: HMV and Blockbuster on 8 out of 10 Cats just now:

"HMV aren't honouring vouchers anymore which is a shame considering all the thought that went into buying them and Blockbuster video says that they will continue trading as usual ,in other words staying open all day without a single customer"

InchicoreDude

Note sure if this has any impact on HMV in Ireland:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0118/game-group-hmv-business.html

Marty McFly

Technocentral wrote: »

Tower Records much better selection and prices are better.

Well I can safely say that is most definitely false, was in town today so popped into Tower Records been dying to get my hands on Dredd and Lawless to give them a viewing they had abut ten blu rays all old and that was it, shocking selection. Last time ill ever be going near the place.

Hopefully HMV is bought out and re opened soon.

Technocentral

Mickeroo wrote: »

Think of all the free stuff they get if or when HMV start trading again.

Well, not quite free seeing as they are giving food and drink to the value of the vouchers (albeit at cost price to themselves).

Mickeroo

Technocentral wrote: »

Ha, fair play to them, generating a bit of publicity for themselves!

Think of all the free stuff they get if or when HMV start trading again.

Technocentral

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

FYI folks who have vouchers.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=512841562071132&set=a.359350774086879.81784.206842022671089&type=1

Ha, fair play to them, generating a bit of publicity for themselves!

Fuzzy_Dunlop

FYI folks who have vouchers.

Grafton Lounge
Hey HMV gift card holders you can redeem your gift card here for the full value in food or drink. Offer valid today and tomorrow!

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=512841562071132&set=a.359350774086879.81784.206842022671089&type=1