David McKittrick; These protests are NOT over the flag.

blahfckingblah wrote: »

they know after all they did release the statement saying the UVF were involved, it you who seems to struggle with the fact

I go by what mat baggot said, but I will bow to the obviously superior knowledge of boards.ie of who's who in the UVF

junder wrote: »

If can identify UVF members then you should pass that sort of info to the police

they know after all they did release the statement saying the UVF were involved, it you who seems to struggle with the fact

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Possibly, but maybe because Hutchinson is no doubt a known face in the area.

Public faces turning up at these things do tend to calm things down (or worsen them in some cases).
To me this doesn't show some behind-the-scenes orchestration by the UVF.

The UVF are all over this, albeit as you accurately stated not in every area. For Billy Hutchison and senior UVF personnel to interrupt rioting and go to request a parlay with the PSNI indicates that clearer than even a statement would.

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Jelle1880 wrote: »

So if the people next to Hutchinson were UVF members, why not arrest them on the spot ?

It's like a dirty open secret here in the North. I guess you'd need to live here for a while.

karma_

junder wrote: »

If can identify UVF members then you should pass that sort of info to the police

You can find pictures of them yourself every weekend in the Sunday World.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

The PSNI are well aware of the identities of the UVF leadership, as they are of the leadership of all paramilitary organisations.

So if the people next to Hutchinson were UVF members, why not arrest them on the spot ?

junder wrote: »

If can identify UVF members then you should pass that sort of info to the police

The PSNI are well aware of the identities of the UVF leadership, as they are of the leadership of all paramilitary organisations.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I didn't say they were throwing bricks. But clearly they were able to influence those who were to stop and start at will.

Possibly, but maybe because Hutchinson is no doubt a known face in the area.

Public faces turning up at these things do tend to calm things down (or worsen them in some cases).
To me this doesn't show some behind-the-scenes orchestration by the UVF.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I'm confident in stating that Billy was accompanied by senior UVF figures in that clip, yes.

If can identify UVF members then you should pass that sort of info to the police

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Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'm talking about Hutchinson and the people next to him, obviously.

i think he's psychic as he just knew when the stones and bottles would stop flying.

junder wrote: »

So you know who's who in the UVF?

I'm confident in stating that Billy was accompanied by senior UVF figures in that clip, yes.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'm talking about Hutchinson and the people next to him, obviously.

I didn't say they were throwing bricks. But clearly they were able to influence those who were to stop and start at will.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

I'm talking about Hutchinson and the people next to him, obviously.

clearly just happened upon the social unrest did they? you are either really naive or sympathetic

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Rewind it to about 8 minutes. It's like it's snowing halfers.

I'm talking about Hutchinson and the people next to him, obviously.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

He can't be calling very loud. They were standing right next to him in that video.

So you know who's who in the UVF?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

She's blocking the Queen's highway, according to you. Let's see if she's still doing that come the Twelfth.

It's not illegal unless police issue a dispersal order which can only be issued in very specific circumstances. In my area the police have taken a very different stance to other areas which has resulted in no trouble. Infact I would like to congratulate the Psni for the way they policed the local protest to where I live, they facilitated the protest, which lasted a specific time, then dispersed with out trouble. All emergency services where allowed through

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Were they throwing bricks in that video ?

Rewind it to about 8 minutes. It's like it's snowing halfers.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

He can't be calling very loud. They were standing right next to him in that video.

Were they throwing bricks in that video ?

For all we know they were there to try and calm things down, Hutchinson was asking for the person in charge to talk things over apparently.

blahfckingblah wrote: »

I'm not opposed to any peaceful protest.

so you think that 100 people since the 3rd of december is good policing, theres no deterrent

No, I don't think the PSNI is doing a good job.
But they're also not standing by idle.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

They do arrest rioters.

As for arresting protesters: Are they doing anything illegal then ?

I'm not opposed to any peaceful protest.

so you think that 100 people since the 3rd of december is good policing, theres no deterrent

junder wrote: »

Billy Hutchison has called for any UVF members taking part in the riots to stop.

He can't be calling very loud. They were standing right next to him in that video.

blahfckingblah wrote: »

yeah imagine the police doing their job arresting people who are breaking the law.

They do arrest rioters.

As for arresting protesters: Are they doing anything illegal then ?

Cavehill Red wrote: »

This began, as Trimble pointed out, with the DUP trying to point-score over Alliance. It got hijacked by the UVF, who failed miserably as a political entity, in an attempt to retain relevance among their core audience. Now it's a bunch of bowsies going out to riot for entertainment. It's time they started jailing everyone caught breaking the law and withholding their dole cheques.

Perhaps you should Actully listen to what mat baggot actually said.he said while thier are elements of the UVF involved namely east Belfast, the UVF as a whole is not and that those in east Belfast are acting outside the main UVF. Billy Hutchison has called for any UVF members taking part in the riots to stop. If the entire UVF where involved every area would be rioting. FYI the areas rioting last in rathcoole are not UVF areas.

yeah imagine the police doing their job arresting people who are breaking the law.

junder wrote: »

She's not doing anything illegal. But yer arrest the protestors that will really calm things down.

She's blocking the Queen's highway, according to you. Let's see if she's still doing that come the Twelfth.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

And she should be arrested, prosecuted and imprisoned for doing so.

She's not doing anything illegal. But yer arrest the protestors that will really calm things down.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If they wanted to set the clock back there's faster and more direct ways to do that, namely taking up arms again.

Like I said: The original protest may have been about the flag, it's not anymore and is now a mix of social unrest, a bunch of c*nts wrecking the place for their own entertainment, others who are frustrated about unemployment,...

This began, as Trimble pointed out, with the DUP trying to point-score over Alliance. It got hijacked by the UVF, who failed miserably as a political entity, in an attempt to retain relevance among their core audience. Now it's a bunch of bowsies going out to riot for entertainment. It's time they started jailing everyone caught breaking the law and withholding their dole cheques.

SoulandForm

Jelle1880 wrote: »

If they wanted to set the clock back there's faster and more direct ways to do that, namely taking up arms again.

If you listen closely to what Loyalist leaders are saying that happening is a strong possibility.

Jelle1880 wrote: »

a bunch of c*nts

i wholeheartedly agree