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Why would an Irish person wear a poppy ?

thecommietommy

After all it's for a foreign army, I don't see anyone wearing an emblem for the French, American, Spanish army. Ok some say it's for charity for injured British soldiers, but surely if they join up it's up to the British govt to properly look after them when they are injured and not pestering people expecting charity ?

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sparksfly

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Would never wear one, it's a British tradition, not an Irish one.

Other countries including Britain honour Irish traditions, cant see a problem.

mattjack

Gas characters , our Number One Band.

24/12/1998

"On November 11, in the Belgian village of Messines, a bloody battlefield of World War 1, the Irish State formally honored the quarter of a million Irish who served - and the 50,000 who died - in the British forces. A monument was unveiled by the Irish President, Mrs. McAleese, in the presence of Britain's Queen Elizabeth and the king and queen of Belgium. "The Irish Times" wrote, "In the village square the pipers of the band of the Royal Irish Regiment, once the Ulster Defence Regiment so detested by nationalists, swapped tunes with the Army Number One band with which it had merged for the occasion."

Galwayguy35

sparksfly wrote: »

Other countries including Britain honour Irish traditions, cant see a problem.

Sure wear one then if you want to but I won't be and wouldn't support anyone collecting for it either.

whatsthetime

I would not wear one even if in England.

The Idyl Race

gurramok wrote: »

Is that a denial, sidestep or what?

No, I'm calling you an unreliable source as to what the RBL in the Republic of Ireland does with its money.

end of the road

sparksfly wrote: »

Other countries including Britain honour Irish traditions,

yeah, traditions. not giving money to or remembering murderers, world wars 1 and 2 aside money raised does go to those who were involved in recent conflicts who deserve nothing from us, let their own look after them.

sparksfly wrote: »

cant see a problem.

well the fact that the money raised is going to murderers from either britains current conflicts or those who murdered irish people in the name of (queen and country) is rather a big problem i would suggest.

Fratton Fred

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, traditions. not giving money to or remembering murderers, world wars 1 and 2 aside money raised does go to those who were involved in recent conflicts who deserve nothing from us, let their own look after them.

well the fact that the money raised is going to murderers from either britains current conflicts or those who murdered irish people in the name of (queen and country) is rather a big problem i would suggest.

do you wear the Lilly?

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how they would define James McCormick and Peter Barnes.

Border-Rat

WileyCoyote wrote: »

No, I doubt if any of it goes to to pira,cira,rira,inla,uvf,uff,rhc.:mad:

British terrorists instigated that conflict, then proceeded to kill the majority of civilians in it. Yet you support them. :rolleyes:

An Coilean

summerskin wrote: »

Ah but we won. That's what matters. Funny how people praise Russia for using the same policy in ww2 but criticise the British...

Ya, Funny how defending your own country is seen in a different light to invading someone elses for nothing more than to satisfy imperalist expansionism.

In the Boer war, who played the role of Russia and who the Nazies in your little analogy again?

Judgement Day

Border-Rat wrote: »

British terrorists instigated that conflict, then proceeded to kill the majority of civilians in it. Yet you support them. :rolleyes:

Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

Fratton Fred

An Coilean wrote: »

Ya, Funny how defending your own country is seen in a different light to invading someone elses for nothing more than to satisfy imperalist expansionism.

In the Boer war, who played the role of Russia and who the Nazies in your little analogy again?

The Boers were the Nazis, the British the Russians?

I'm not too sure that is a good analogy. Despite the sympathy they are entitled to due to the brutal tactics used by the military, the Boers weren't exactly missionaries and, in case you hadn't noticed, were colonialists themselves.

It was, after all, the Boers who went on to invent Apartheid.

As I said in an earlier thread, most of Britain's wars were against the French, Spanish and other imperial nations, relatively few were actually against the natives of the countries they colonised.

It is interesting to read about how the various european empires came about, it wasn't just a bunch of nasty europeans invading and enslaving the locals (well, it was in the case of the Spanish) a lot of it was about trade and treaties.

The Idyl Race

Judgement Day wrote: »

Not according to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

Damn you and your pesky facts!

Lelantos

Fratton Fred wrote: »

do you wear the Lilly?

I am still waiting for someone to tell me how they would define James McCormick and Peter Barnes.

Peter Barnes was a half decent winger with City, dunno who McCormick played with

Fratton Fred

Lelantos wrote: »

Peter Barnes was a half decent winger with City, dunno who McCormick played with

I remember him. He used to "Bomb" down the wing

billybudd

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How do you define James McCormick and Peter Barnes?

As members of the IRA, whats your point?

Fratton Fred

billybudd wrote: »

As members of the IRA, whats your point?

They killed innocent people. Are they not murderers?

billybudd

Fratton Fred wrote: »

They killed innocent people. Are they not murderers?

The IRA where never the official army of Ireland.

The Idyl Race

Today is the 25th anniversary of the Poppy Day bombing in Enniskillen: the ultimate expression by some republicans of their hatred of the wearers of the Poppy, but a turning point nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/enniskillen_bombing

Nodin

Fratton Fred wrote: »

They killed innocent people. Are they not murderers?

Whats that to do with the poppy?

Rascasse

The Idyl Race wrote: »

Today is the 25th anniversary of the Poppy Day bombing in Enniskillen: the ultimate expression by some republicans of their hatred of the wearers of the Poppy, but a turning point nonetheless.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/events/enniskillen_bombing

Or just a good time and place to blow up some protestants 'for Ireland'.

getz

Nodin wrote: »

Whats that to do with the poppy?

ask big ears he will tell you

Rhinocharge

thecommietommy wrote: »

After all it's for a foreign army, I don't see anyone wearing an emblem for the French, American, Spanish army. Ok some say it's for charity for injured British soldiers, but surely if they join up it's up to the British govt to properly look after them when they are injured and not pestering people expecting charity ?

The question should be why not.
The red poppy symbolises the blood that was spilt in Flanders & was the seen to be the only flower to grow there afterwards.

Alot of Irish men fought in the Great War & many did not return. The poppy honours their memory, both those whom returned home & those whom sleep there still.

The poppy was eventually adopted by the British and Canadian Legions as the symbol of remembrance of World War One and a means of raising funds for disabled veterans. An American war volunteer, Moina Michael, helped establish the symbol in the US where the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion also embraced the Red Poppy tradition.

http://www.worldwar1.com/heritage/rpoppy.htm

Our man in Havana

Just got a huge poppy for the front of my car. Local reactions should be interesting.

Lelantos

Nodin wrote: »

Whats that to do with the poppy?

Dara O'Brian is not wearing a poppy on the One Show tonite. Guess there isn't a rule forcing people to wear it on BBC

getz

Lelantos wrote: »

Dara O'Brian is not wearing a poppy on the One Show tonite. Guess there isn't a rule forcing people to wear it on BBC

now you have upset a few of the usual suspects,

the_syco

Border-Rat wrote: »

British terrorists instigated that conflict, then proceeded to kill the majority of civilians in it. Yet you support them. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure that the IRA killed more Catholics than the british forces did.

BTW, which colour poppy are we talking about? The white one or the red one?

Chuck Stone

getz wrote: »

now you have upset a few of the usual suspects,

It'll be interesting to see if the poppy fascists go ape-**** like they do with Jon Snow for not wearing it on the days leading up to Rem/Day.

noodler

I don't wear one but I am very grateful for the British saving Ireland from certain invasion in the Second World War Two.

Nodin

Lelantos wrote: »

Dara O'Brian is not wearing a poppy on the One Show tonite. Guess there isn't a rule forcing people to wear it on BBC

And you're informing me because..............?

Nodin

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Just got a huge poppy for the front of my car. Local reactions should be interesting.

'the unionist is at it again', more than likely.