corktina wrote: » doubtful, why do you mention it?Do you not think there would be major casualties in a full speed train crash, particularly amongst those standing , but also amongst the unrestrained seated passengers who they land on? As an ideal, would you not agree that standing has risks attached that are , to my mind, unacceptable in an age where Coach passengers have to be seated and have to wear seat-belts even though they are unlikely to top 62 mph?
Hilly Bill wrote: » If some passengers showed a bit of respect towards those that booked those seats then there wouldn't be a problem. Its the same in theatres, some will sit where they want until someone else comes along with the ticket for that seat. On trains , a few will just refuse to move which is poor form. Some on here are calling on IR to cut staff but the answer here would be to have someone on the train to ensure that you get the seat . Is that really needed in this day and age? cant people show a bit of respect anymore? The only money you should get back is the cost of reserving the seat which is €3 each way.
Hilly Bill wrote: » Cant be moved from Cork to Mallow but can be moved at Mallow. Put it like this, if i had a seat reserved from Mallow and you were sat in that seat and refused to move after i showed you that i had it reserved then you would be out of that seat and half way down the carriage in quick time.
Refusing to move for such a trivial reason is just pure ignorance and especially if that person was on a freebie.
Solair wrote: » I think passengers also need to be a little bit less accepting about people taking their seats.
I see this regularly. "oh you're in my seat". "Oh am I?"
"Ah sure it's grand I'll find another one!" (ends up standing beside the toilet) <snip> If someone's in your seat, turf them out. There's really no excuse on a train system that actually displays your name over the seat and has regular announcements asking people not to occupy pre-booked seats.
It's a cultural thing in both Ireland and to a degree in England that people just won't make a 'scene' when they're being totally walked over by some bully. Sitting in someone's pre-booked seat is extremely rude, disrespectful, and basically just throwing your weight around because you think you're more important. I don't see it as any different from the bully at school taking your lunch money.
I've also had "Oh sure we don't really do booking in Ireland do we" from someone sat in my seat. I just stood there looking very annoyed and he moved. Irish rail need to enforce their seat booking policy too
Hilly Bill wrote: » I agree, but it with the attitude of some it could be the STT guys you would need not a train host. There is a guard on the Enterprise, has anyone had any issues regarding someone refusing to move from your pre-booked seat on this service?
Hilly Bill wrote: » Personally i wouldnt care including if its an Oap, visually impaired , or a child. They shouldnt be there in the first place. If i have to sit with their family for the rest of the journey then so be it.
LeftBlank wrote: » On 22000s it's shown as "Reserved from <station>". Not sure about the Mk4 but wouldn't be surprised if something similar was possible.
Hilly Bill wrote: » And whats the chances of a train falling from the sky at 30 thousand feet? A train doesnt do wheelies when it moves off nor does it land on its back wheels when it arrives at a station.
sligotrain wrote: » Standing on trains is sadly a fact of life. The only way standing can be reduced is to introduce more trains at peak times since unlike buses a train can only run on a stretch of railway that is cleared for that train to run. Since we have a far larger number of single line stretches where trains are necessarily more restricted, we would need to double capacity on single lines by doubling them. Since the concept of discussing development opportunities on the railways is a banned subject here I will say no more in case the heads of the clique regulars here explode.
foggy_lad wrote: » Development requires money which Irish Rail sadly don't have!
foggy_lad wrote: » They should really consider cutting all intercity services apart from the Belfast train as even the Cork train has been decimated by the cheaper faster Coaches!
it's not the only way.More coaches per train with selective door opening would be another , if longer platforms can't be managed. How about replacing the driving trailers on the Cork and Belfast lines with passenger seating vehicles for another.?
end of the road wrote: » we had it and we chose motor ways to bally go backwards instead. we could have a fast railway traveling at 21st century speeds yet we got both railway and motor ways that only have stone age speeds may as well shut the lot then, and as for faster Coaches, yeah right, rickity slow coaches that travel at stone age speeds, if thats what we have to look forward to then most of us should really consider leaving, and their no more decimated by coaches, more like motor car, yet as much as you want to shut the railway, you use it. fail again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jamie2k9 wrote: » Platform clearance would be an issue for some stations with longer trains as the station loops are not big enough to accomidate 9 car sets. I can't see standing room being a major problem on Cork line some of the sets are reduced from 5 to 4 standard class carrages and the driving trailers on the Cork line have a generator inside them. The cab on the Belfast sets is very small and is there not already seating behind it?
corktina wrote: » it's not the only way.More coaches per train with selective door opening would be another , if longer platforms can't be managed. How about replacing the driving trailers on the Cork and Belfast lines with passenger seating vehicles for another.? C&T is exactly the forum for rail development discussion surely?
corktina wrote: » "lets not do it...it's too difficult to lengthen platforms and loops, and , oh , what a pity we didn't get proper vehicles to start with with generators under the floor or locos that can power the coaches" If rail is to survive the challenges it faces, it has to have a can-do attitude.
"lets not do it...it's too difficult to lengthen platforms and loops, and , oh , what a pity we didn't get proper vehicles to start with with generators under the floor or locos that can power the coaches" If rail is to survive the challenges it faces, it has to have a can-do attitude.
Jamie2k9 wrote: » Loco powering the train have worked very well here...... It costs money to extent loops and platforms which we don't have and longer intercity trains are only needed at weekends, there is very few if any services that are at capacity during the week (apart from Rosslare?) so would you wast money for it to happen 2 or 3 days a week much more productive things could be done with it.
foggy_lad wrote: » Ireland was never and is never going to have anything like the railways found in larger European countries, regardless of how much money is available!!
foggy_lad wrote: » There was money and it was put to excellent use buying excellent trains which are safe comfortable and quiet and don't require several men at different stops en route to change the locomotive around etc.
foggy_lad wrote: » Now to get to how it is today, people want to get to their destination with a certain level of comfort and speed and Irish Rail is seen as lazy stale and wholly unreliable(though not the fault of most staff) while most who have travelled on the coach competition have not experienced the same levels of waste or confusion or just pig ignorant bureaucracy as they regularly found within CIE.
foggy_lad wrote: » Also it is far easier to get a bus from where you live to any major town or city while the same is not possible with the train,
foggy_lad wrote: » you can't have railways serving every small town and village around the country just to carry one or two students and OAP's around a few times a week!
foggy_lad wrote: » Get a grip and get into the 21st century or you will be lost in the past forever!
28dayslater wrote: » I live in Mallow and last christmas myself and the missus were going to go to cork to do some christmas shopping and thought it would be nice for the young fella to get the train so we went to book it online a couple of days in advance. It worked out at around €70. It cost us under €20 in diesel and €5 for the park and ride when we drove. No brainer really. Won't be using Irish Rail for that reason.
holidaygirl wrote: » A family day return ticket now costs €24.50 from Mallow to Cork, can't be booked online as far as I know, but can be got from the ticket office or vending machines.
foggy_lad wrote: » It is very obvious that Irish Rail has no respect for any passengers on their failing intercity services! If I get on a train and there are seats without reservation lights lit up or without a reservation card then I will sit on that seat for the duration of my journey! Refusing to fix a systems which has been reported broken for several years is almost criminal considering the money that has been pumped down the Irish Rail sink-hole! The system is broken so don't go all Irish Rail on us and blame innocent passengers for sitting in empty non-reserved seats! Lets lock them all away in a home or mental hospital! Can't wait till its your turn! If you board at the starting station only some seats reserved from that station are shown, none of the seats reserved from intermediate stations show until the train stops at those stations! so if I board in Cork any seats reserved from mallow will not be reserved "from mallow", the same happens on all trains on all lines! Probably a simple Fix but Irish Rail and intelligence don't make good bedfellows. Buttevent, Malahide Estuary, Cherryville, Ballycumber Etc. When a train derails or plunges down off a viaduct wouldn't you expect many more serious injuries if there were hundreds of passengers standing?
Hilly Bill wrote: » I havent said anything about passengers sitting in non reserved seats Foggy so i dont know what you are going on about there.
To be honest the whole no seats on intercity rail is no longer an issue. Passenger numbers have fallen so quickly on Irish Rail that even the 5pm Friday to Cork has empty seats nowadays!! A train that was once packed with people standing in the aisles now has empty seats (with maybe the exception of Christmas). The reality seat reservations are no longer needed and the trains are safe as no one is standing. This is due partly to the recession and reduced numbers of people travelling and partly due to competition from the new direct coach companies. So things like extra long trains etc. are simply not needed any more.
the trouble is the buses AREN'T slow any more. The advent of the motorway has made them serious competitors of Rail. Sure they are limited by speed limits much lower than rail but the end to end timing of a journey from ,say, Cork City Centre to Dublin ditto is very competitive and up to four times cheaper by coach.
it's a very good question. Selective door opening then, surely that can't cost a lot?
end of the road wrote: » no because the will population isn't there, we can have one that is of a decent speed faster then any motor way but it will not have more than a handful of passengers, the will wasn't and isn't there. and which other perfectly working dirty noisy smelly worn out life expired rolling stock was scrapped for to give them work and now their still isn't work for some of them. because the cost of all the staff required for loco hauled services was too great. yeah, but they got something that travels at stone age speeds motorway speeds when they could just get in their car and go where and whenever they like not from my experience, i have to go to the same place to get either one of them. ah you can, shur 1 carrige trains, dig up all the roads and turn the whole lot into one big gigantic railway. i all ready am in the 21st century, but rickity old slow busses will never be frequented by me, at all costs, for me its railway or no way. I'm on the interwebs:D
foggy_lad wrote: » But we were discussing the issues of the reservations systems and how it does not work even though people are paying for the service, if you book a seat from Mallow or Roscommon to Dublin you would expect that when I board in Cork or Westport your booked seat will have a reservation light and a note such as "reserved for H.Bill from Mallow/Roscommon", but this does not happen. This means that when I sit in a seat in Cork or Westport it might be reserved farther along the line but I am not being made aware of this and as such there is absolutely no obligation on me to give up my legitimately obtained seat for you even though you have a reservation and all the proof you can carry!
Hilly Bill wrote: » Its only common decency to move at that point Foggy especially if you hadnt bought a ticket in the first place.
