Insect Overlord wrote: » We actually have 2 forums on this site dedicated to the language. Gaeilge (Irish) for grammar, translation, etymology, etc, and Teach na nGealt for general conversation trí mheán na Gaeilge. I'd love to see more activity in them, but a lot of people either a) don't know they're there, or b) couldn't be bothered to actually use the bit of Irish the have. Stop stressing about whether or not the language is "dying" and start actually using it. Radical or wha'?
DyldeBrill wrote: » If bands such as bell x1 and so on have interest in writing and singing Irish songs,....then we are hardly flogging a dead horse would u say?
DyldeBrill wrote: » Ugh I get tired of this ignoranc. Tell me in your opinion , has irish grown in the past 10 years So you know the fun song...great! Least that's one advertisement that you've heard. If bands such as bell x1 and so on have interest in writing and singing Irish songs,....then we are hardly flogging a dead horse would u say?
Iwasfrozen wrote: » But Teach na nGealt by it's very nature filters out the non gealgoirs. Maybe not intentionally though. And as for the Gaelige board they forbid such discussions in their charter.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » DyldeBrill wrote: » Ugh I get tired of this ignoranc. Tell me in your opinion , has irish grown in the past 10 years So you know the fun song...great! Least that's one advertisement that you've heard. If bands such as bell x1 and so on have interest in writing and singing Irish songs,....then we are hardly flogging a dead horse would u say? Yep. I'd still say you're flogging a dead horse. Songs and snazzy ads won't make people like the language. You need natural economic incentives and by natural I mean offered willingly by private individuals. Not imposed by the government.
Insect Overlord wrote: » DyldeBrill wrote: » If bands such as bell x1 and so on have interest in writing and singing Irish songs,....then we are hardly flogging a dead horse would u say? It kills me to do this but... Bell X1 are one of my favourite bands. I've seen them play 4 or 5 times in Limerick. Paul Noonan doesn't actually know the lyrics to Bladhm off by heart. He apologises every so often for not being able to perform the Irish version live. They had help from translators and native speakers when they recorded it for the Ceol CD a few years back.
DyldeBrill wrote: » What do you mean by snazzy? Are we going ott with them...? Again there are more people than ever signing up for private classes and group classes through irish.There's something that isn't imposed by the government....but yup flogging a dead horse obviously.
DyldeBrill wrote: » People always have mixed thoughts when it comes to this subject, some positive, some negative, and that will forever live! If the Irish language is to succeed, what do you think would help it within the media world?And people who don't speak Irish, what are your thoughts on the language in relation to how its portrayed? Is there not enough advertisement done? Or is it the fact that there is plenty of advertisement, its just the fact that it is not done right? Would be interested in hearing people's views on this subject.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » You mean out? lol well I don't know about you but "snazzy" isn't one property I look for when dating... Who says there's more people than ever signing up for private classes and group classes through irish? Did you make that up or do you have a source? And while attendance to these classes or not imposed by the government often the organising bodies are implemented by them. Pull the funding from Foras na Gaeilge and see how long these classes last.
splendid101 wrote: » The best way, to me, would be to make a few very popular tv programmes in the Irish language with English subtitles. Something with the popularity of The X Factor and The Late Late Show combined would be perfect. People would pick up loads of Irish this way and it would make it trendy and exciting. Obviously this is easy easier to say than to do, but i reckon it would be one of the best ways to raise the profile of the language. On a more basic level, it should be thought in a much more interesting fashion. Kids should do PE through Irish, and their Irish lessons should be something interesting. They could translate their favourite films into Irish and then act them out for example. The same could be done for pop songs perhaps. Better than reading about a woman's life on the Blasket Islands anyway. Having said all that, I think Irish is on a downward trend. I'm fully confident that it will always be around though. People will always keep it alive and spoken.
Cosmicfox wrote: » But of course, this has all been said before. If you had no interest in it while in school, your hardly going to switch on TG4.
DyldeBrill wrote: » ott-Over The Top Well yes I do have a source from Conradh na Gaeilge who has told me classes have grown, which I think is great.But the best thing about these classes are is that there is an increase in foreigners learning Irish, which I find brilliant for the language. Well if you pull funding yes, you would stop a lot of organisations do what they are doing mainly because a lot of them are non-profit or that a lot of the workers themselves are self voluntary.There is 2 sides to that story, some areas in the Irish language would suffer more than others, but that's not to say that the growing interest will decline.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » I don;t mean to be pedantic but do you have evidence on this source? Can you elaborate more on it? I don't mean to be pedantic but anyone can claim to have a source on anything. Exactly, they are not for profit because profit can't be made. Instead the government decides fund them during a time of financial crisis. If there was a way to make money on the promotion of the irish language it would have already been taken up by a private body. So I think we can safely assume no such scope for profit exists and all these bodies are operating on a loss. These types of details are important when you start talking about the possibility record labels producing pop music in irish.
An Coilean wrote: » Pull the funding from almost anything and see how long it lasts, I dont get your point
An Coilean wrote: Actually Conradh dose profitt from providing Irish Classes. I have a copy of their anual budget at home, Classes they ran brought in about 40'000 last year.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » I don;t mean to be pedantic but do you have evidence on this source? Can you elaborate more on it? I don't mean to be pedantic but anyone can claim to have a source on anything. Exactly, they are not for profit because profit can't be made. Instead the government decides fund them during a time of financial crisis. If there was a way to make money on the promotion of the irish language it would have already been taken up by a private body. So I think we can safely assume no such scope for profit exists and all these bodies are operating on a loss. These types of details are important when you start talking about record labels producing pop music in irish.
Dawson Huge Skunk wrote: » Oh wait, what?
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Do you have a link to them? And is this a profit minus grants given to them by the government or government bodies? I doubt it otherwise we'd see companies offer these same services at more competitive rates.
DyldeBrill wrote: » Yeah no bother let me take a head count at the next class, or maybe a group photo! Surely that will be enough.... If you want I can send you on details on how to contact me at my office but yes the record of people has grown in recent years. It's hardly a secret to be honest with you, but how or never I will try print some things off tomorrow to have posted here, see what I can do! Why profit off trying to advertise the Irish language and to encourage people to learn it?And yes there are many Irish organisations that do profit.You could look at Redshoe, Stillwater Communications to list 2. There are 2 sides to every story like I said, but you are completely convinced on the fact that Irish is Dead Ed, advertisement won't even help it and no one is interested. You argue that NO profit is made by an Irish language organisation or should I say assume, Well obviously you have some info that I do not have based on your assumption.Would love to get a quick look at whatever it is
An Coilean wrote: I have them at home, it was printed as part of a booklet for their Árd Feis. Conradh does a lot more than just provide classes, as far as the classes they run go, they make a profit.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » So they operate at a loss? If so who directly subsidises them?
Bipolar Joe wrote: » Put it like this; Irish won't help me pay the bills, put food on my table or help me in any way whatsoever. Please, for me, my future children, the children of my friends and everyone else in this country, stop putting money into things that aren't absolutely essential to this country's economy.
An Coilean wrote: » I was under the impression we were talking about Irish classes, Conradh do not make a loss on the classes they provide, the classes are not subsidised. If you wan't to talk about the organisation as a whole thats fine, but have the cop on to realise that it is a seperat issue.
An Coilean wrote: » I would hate to live in a country where money is spent only on things essential to the country's economy. It would be absoutly dire. Whatever people might think of living in Dev's Ireland where a nationalistic view of culture came first. A country where people are nothing more than units acting in an economy would be far far worse. Seriously projecting a society based on that principle would turn very nasty very quickly.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » Well no it wouldn't. Just because the numbers have grown in your class doesn't mean they have grown nation wide. Why profit off it?! because we are in the middle of a financial crisis and shouldn't be spending state money on a language. Money that could be used to reduce our freickin deficit! Or does our financial independence not matter to you as long as we get a 2% increase in the uptake of Irish classes this year? To be honest I've never heard of Stillwater communications but one look at their website says they are proud to work with foras na gaeilge and udaras na gael. Now my next question is. How much of our money are they getting? And now let me be clear. I'm not saying that no profit is ever made by any body promoting the irish language. I'm saying that all of these bodies together opperate on a loss. They must logically. Otherwise the government wouldn't need to subsidise them. I'm not against the irish language I'm against the use of public money to promote it. You say that I am convinced irish wil never be revived under any circumstance. That's not true. Maybe it can be revived. I don't know and frankly I don't care as long as I don't have to pay for it. So they operate at a loss? If so who directly subsidises them?
con1982 wrote: » It may be that there a just too many people with bad memories and experiences of learning Irish. I hated it and still do. Aged 29 now. I was delighted when I finished the Leaving Cert, knowing I would never have to listen to or use it again. Has the debate on the relevance of the language ever been resolved? English is the language I grew up with, and my parents and their parents. Every one of us born in Ireland. The Irish language is not important at all to me and doesn't represent the culture I developed in. It's foreign to me, to be honest. Also, I actually enjoyed studying French and German in secondary school, and I have studied Polish for a number of years. I'd much rather promote a continental language to kids (if I had any).
DyldeBrill wrote: » but what i want to know is what way can we better the advertisement.
DyldeBrill wrote: » It is actually not my class, I am not in a class...plain nd simple joke with the headcount! Why spend money on a language? Well the government certainly get a return on tourism as a lot of tourists have a lot of interest in Irish films, books and also participating in oral classes. Just because they are happy to work with them does not mean they are funded, of course they would support other organisations that have the same level of interest as themselves. And again what Organisation is coming out with a profit...very few so don't put it down to it just because its through Irish, we are all having problems making a profit these days! The reason I claimed that you said it'd never be revived is becfause of your you saying that people like me were "flogging a dead horse", I didn't know what other way to take that comment.I do agree with some half points that you've made as some of them are true, just a few places we don't quite agree ...sure only the future will tell!
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