Leiva wrote: » Aquilani was excellent during our pre-season tour . I remember him coming on and changing a couple of games
eldwaro wrote: » one game he rattled the crossbar twice and one of the resulting corners agger got a goal from... the important thing here is the crossbar twice...thats what we are lacking :P
Andy Carroll wrote: » I was thinking about this last night and I just can't get my head around it.I really don't recall what the guy was like when he played for us... What the **** is the deal? We can't even give the guy away at this stage, is he terrible? If he isn't, why can't we give him away? And if he is decent, why don't we just bring him back. I can't make head or tail of it. Even if we massively overpaid for him at the time, we are trying to give him away for about 25% of that now and failing? Is it a case that teams aren't willing to pay for something that you have been willing to give them free even if the player has a value? In which case, perhaps it's a bad idea to send people on loan unless you fully intend to take them back and use them in the future.
Kess73 wrote: » When he actually got run outs during competive games, he looked quite a good player. Good passer, seemed to make time and space for himself, mobile, and willing to put in a shift. Had lovely ball control and did not need to take a few touches in order to stop the ball before moving it onto another player. Not a physically strong player but I would go as far as to say that he was much more willing to get stuck in that Meireles was, and he was certainly a better tackler than Meireles. Had a good number of assists to his name as well, especially when the amount of time he had on the pitch was taken into account. We defo could have used him this season and methinks he would have worked very well with Suarez.
redzerdrog wrote: » Is it bad that it irritates the hell out of me when people put Agger as the right CB and Skrtel as the left CB
G.K. wrote: » Coates...
argosy2006 wrote: » Aqua was crap more often that good, Needs all the room in the world,He is to easily got at in the premier league,Any good display was against weaker teams, Squad player, We really need to buy some starters this summer, Someone to replace Kuyt and Carroll and Adam,, Making them the bench warmers, And playing them in Europa league and when we are 3-0 up at home, We need some class to move up the league though,
Kess73 wrote: » Whereas what we have now have been beating those so called weaker teams.......
eldwaro wrote: » i like the guy...but are we at the stage of trusting him as cover for a season when he cant get a game now?
5starpool wrote: » Change your sig pic Kess. It wasn't in vain.
PaulieC wrote: » I'd give him a shot - worst case would be that Agger gets injured early and be out for a long time. That said, from what I've seen of Coates he seems solid enough and has adapted well enough to the English game.
argosy2006 wrote: » We beat them into submission on every stat but the one that counts, Henderson in middle with Lucas i feel could be strong, To often henderson never gets that midfield role, To often out wide
eldwaro wrote: » if this is a spoiler ill be angry! Im only going to start watching the entire thing during the summer!
MonkeyTennis wrote: » any combination looks better when you have Leiva smack in the middle. How I miss his wee brazilian head
Kess73 wrote: » The same sig has been used by a lot of people on Boards for a couple of months now as well as a number of other GOT sigs. I have had it up for quite some time so every post I have made during that time in here and elsewhere on Boards has had it on it. Won't change your enjoyment of season one though. A brilliant show with a heck of a lot of different plotlines to follow. Would recommend the books as well.
eldwaro wrote: » but i never looked at it until attention was drawn to it :P ah no im looking forward to getting stuck in as soon as exams are over...have a few shows lined up!
Kess73 wrote: » If you are buying the boxset, get it on blu ray as it looks amazing. Sons Of Anarchy is another good show to catch up on if you have not watched it yet. Is into it's fourth season now.
PFL wrote: » I also thought this, Aquaman was making a big difference to unlocking defences (something we're clearly lacking now) The whole debacle has been a head scratch. John W Henry tweeted his approval of Aqua in pre-season, Kenny came out loads of times saying how fortunate LFC were to have Aqua back in the squad and then there was that video in Oslo of Aqua and Comolli having a 'row' of sorts about transfer / loan deal. Now we can't give him away for a box of tic tacs. It's like history repeating itself and we'll now be subject to daily updates by Aqua's agent of him staying, going or coming back to ____________ (insert clubs name here)
eldwaro wrote: » TL;DR - LFC aren't in as bad a place as we all think. We are where we deserve to be, but it is seasons like this one that will get us to where we want to be.
Morzadec wrote: » Good post and I agree with what you say for the most part, but just on the above point - it's not Kenny's failure to get fourth that has some fans calling for his head, and others (like me) who are seriously questioning his position. It's the lack of even a challenge. I knew that it was likely we would not get 4th this year, and I wasn't necessarily going to see it as black and white as 'no 4th = failure'. It's the fact we are SO far behind, especially in a year where some of the expected shoe-ins for 4th have struggled, and that the challenge ended in February, that is so disappointing, and, let's face it, unacceptable. I'm of the generation you talk of - those who have never seen a League won - and I agree that we shouldn't be expectant just because of our history. I was against Rafa's sacking. When we were hovering 4 or 5 point behind the CL places I felt that should we fail (and the inevitable criticisms come in seeing as 4th was the target), Kenny should get another season, because there was so many matches where the margins were incredibly fine and it looked like we were playing well and making progress overall. It's the margin of the deficit to the top of the table that is hard to accept, even for the less-spoiled, more realistic Liverpool supporter. We have the same amount of points as Fulham. It is not spoiled to suggest that we should be at least 10 to 15 points clear of mid-table sides at this stage of the season given our resources and the quality of the playing squad.
Leiva wrote: » I am no expert or demographer but I think its kinda a new phenomenon that's occurred in recent years . We have Liverpool fans (35+) who are in the majority, and we have the younger generation who have no allegiance to legend or the old times who just want league success, which in their lifetime (25 - ) it has never been known or seen . So we kinda have a split of fans who are more patient and less quick to call for a managers head, and another side that justifiably haven't seen things ever change for the good of a league title . But Mormank has hit the mail on the head "you never know what you have til you loose it" (Rafa) .by the way I am in the 35+ brigade
Chucky the tree wrote: » Nice post. However I think you're viewing it through very tinted kenny Dalglish style glasses tbh. Because we are Liverpool Football club we have a massive advantage over most clubs in England, and Europe in some cases. Excellent reputation, very large support base, solid money making potential, some excellent players etc etc. Due to all of these reasons I think being in 8th 16 points off 4th is extremely unacceptable. We've had it tough with owners, but so have Newcastle. They were even in the Championship two season ago and look where they are now. Blaming the current horrible form on the last few years is a cop out tbh. Despite going through all of that there is no way we should be level on points with Fulham in 8th place and closer to relegation than 4th. I'm glad you brought up Roy, I find it strange that you mention him and then proceed to talk about not giving managers enough time. Even if Roy "got" this club and said all the right things but still found himself continuously losing games(especially at home), was about to finish the season with the 2nd worst record ever in the league there would be no one on hear asking for him to be given time. I'm going to view Kenny the same way as I'd view anyone, him being a legend should not get him any extra rope, same as it shouldn't give Carragher or Gerrard extra games/contracts/season/playing time.You're point about fans wanting the league and 4th and everything else not being good enough is pure hyperbole bollox tbh. I've never seen anyone say 4th or nothing else, and I certainly haven't seen anyone expecting a title challenge. However I also don't remember anyone predicting an 8th placed finish or worse, or being this far off 4th before the season started either. Pretty sure if anyone said in August they would have been ridiculed and called a "hater" or some such nonsense. Now it's happened under Kenny then it's time to paper over-the-cracks. If finishing behind Everton, battling it out with Fulham, WBA, Sunderland, Swansea for a top half finish is now our reality then fair enough, however I don't think you or anyone else actually thinks this club isn't far far better then that. In the first paragraph you talking about how we fell behind in the 90s because our owner was out of his depth and in the last paragraph you fondly talk what attracted you to this club - basically our owners being completely out of his depth. You can't have it both ways. In these times sticking with a manager who is out of his depth for 3-4 seasons will kill a team. 3-4 years of great players leaving while being replaced by the likes of henderson, Carroll, Downing etc will just make the job for the next manager(who'll be of a lesser pedigree) probably finally make mid-table battles with WBA and company a reality.
mormank wrote: » I don't believe I said fans wanted the league over everything else, that was my personal point of view and I explained in brackets next to that comment that I was purposely using hyperbole to help get my point across. :rolleyes: I guess people will just find things to argue about if they wanna find something to argue about.... And as for the comment about the owners being out of their depth. Being out of your depth as an owner doesn't just extend to sacking managers now does it?? In fact, being competent as an owner doesn't mean weilding the axe every season either now does it?? So yes sir, I can have it both ways.
We havent won the league in 20 years. We have a whole generation of fans that have never experienced the glory of winning the league. Do people honestly believe that another manager can just arrive and win us the league, or guarantee us 4th? Do people honestly think that's all it takes? That we are that close to really challenging?
