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Abortion

LilyCricket

Should it be available here?

Regardless of circumstance?

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tonycascarino

Should only be available in cases of rape or if the child is going to be badly deformed/ill with no chance of having a life

Cork24

This is being covered over in the religion section no need to have 2 debates going at the one time

kylith

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Do you think aborted foetus' go to heaven??
Does the RCC think aborted foetus's go to heaven??

That's what they're saying since Limbo was done away with because it upset the masses.

My poor grandmother was heartbroken thinking that her stillborn child would never see god. You'd know it was a man with no children who came up with the concept of Limbo in the first place.

eyescreamcone wrote: »

If it wasn't for the outlet in Britain and elsewhere we would be looking at hundreds of back street abortions here.

This. This is what happened before women could travel to the UK. Many died from botched operations and infections. More were left permanantly infertile. Some women poisoned themselves with abortifactant herbs, others hoped that a scaldingly hot bath and a bottle of gin would do the job.

The idea that abortion being illegal will stop people having abortions is as stupid as the idea that drugs being illegal will stop people getting high. People will always find a way to do what they want, so why not just accept that and allow them to have their abortions somewhere near home, where they can have the support of their families and feel safe?

If you don't agree with abortion then the answer is simple: don't have an abortion. But don't you dare claim that you know what's best for other people.

Oh, and all this 'pro-abortion' talk is just ridiculous. No-one is pro-abortion, it's a terribly sad and traumatic period of a woman's life, it makes it sound like we want compulsary terminations. We're pro-choice.

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Min wrote: »

Imagine if the mother's of all the pro-choice people had aborted them.

We would have a forum full of pro-life people.

Sounds like you're coming around to the idea of abortion then!

Cork24 wrote: »

This is being covered over in the religion section no need to have 2 debates going at the one time

Yes, except up til now it was attempting to be an abortion debate without religious concerns.

dyawannagoonme

prinz wrote: »

I've searched this thread for a few keywords..

god.....no results.

faith....no results...

catholic....one result (catholic church has run this country for too long, we need abortion yadda yadda)

religion.... two results (both saying religion needs to be removed from this argument)

Who exactly are the "holy joes" you are talking about?

Search sin... not sure but I associated sin with religion...

Wild Bill

Bambi wrote: »

Me bollix

That's not very ladylike Bambi :rolleyes:

lazygal

http://www.thejournal.ie/mullen-reports-i-smirked-at-abortion-meeting-entirely-untrue-426635-Apr2012/

I'm sure Jesus would be proud of his attitude.

He ably demonstrates why the voters of the NUI panel need to get the finger out and stop him being elected if there's another Seanad election.

Rabidlamb

Thinks of Borat meeting the feminists.

philologos

This is a non-story, and we already have 2 other threads open here about abortion, isn't that enough?

Battered Mars Bar

He can't help it, that's his face.

The_Minister

The OP should have stated that Senator Mullen has repeatedly stated that he was nothing but friendly to the women.

There is a clash of facts here.

(And IMO he's a smug git most of the time anyway)

Feeona

Odd story. One person says he was smirking, I think it's an awful thing to accuse him over and it's ridiculous it was reported in the news. Reminds me of 1984 where citizens had to keep neutral expressions at all times in case the thought police were watching

shopaholic01

Is it just me or does he look like Brian Cowen?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

shopaholic01 wrote: »

Is it just me or does he look like Brian Cowen?

I was thinking more along the lines of Will from the Inbetweeners.

HoggyRS

One creepy virgin of a feen.

Agricola

A moronic fúcking apologist for catholicism who is so enraptured by all things biblical that he routinely gets an erection when thinking about transubstantiation.

My name is URL

Wow, he smirked. What a fcuking monster. It's a good thing he isn't a Voodoo priest or they'd all be pregnant again.

starbelgrade

Some burd was probably tickling his bollix.

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The_Minister wrote: »

The OP should have stated that Senator Mullen has repeatedly stated that he was nothing but friendly to the women.

I don't agree with the guy but he always comes across as articulate, reasoned. The clowns over at thejournal and here that would castigate the guy based on hearsay about a facial expression really need to play the ball not the man.

Superbus

In fairness to him, there is a thin line between smirking and grimacing.

Thrill

At one point, the same man accused me of smirking while I was speaking. I was taken aback by this. It was absolutely untrue. [...]

I did, however, feel uncomfortable at that point with the atmosphere that had been generated in the room and I replied that I was probably grimacing.

If he grinned, hang him.

If he grimaced, hang the other guy.

St.Spodo

To be fair, I think that's just his ugly face.

Looks like Will from the Inbetweeners too, as it happens.

sasser

I've always found an air of smugness about him

Orizio

...seriously? Witch hunts over alleged 'smirks' now? ****ing hell.

Super-Rush

Words fail me sometimes.

Thrill

Orizio wrote: »

...seriously? Witch hunts over alleged 'smirks' now? ****ing hell.

He's just trying to get out of the "smirk charge" by saying he grimaced, which is a bit cheaper.

Crea

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Do you think aborted foetus' go to heaven??
Does the RCC think aborted foetus's go to heaven??

Well in the case of my sisters son who was still born - he was baptised on entering the church for his funeral mass so if I was religious he would be in heaven.
She found out at 30 weeks pregnant that her much wanted baby was missing a large parts of his brain and heart and so wouldn't survive for longer than a few mins outside the womb. She had to go for 8 weeks listening to people asking "when is the baby due?" knowing that he would die. She asked the docs if she could be induced early so she wouldn't have to go through this torture but alas no - not in Ireland. No induction before 38 weeks so she had 8 weeks of hiding in the house, alot of sedation and not being able to be left alone. Poor little fella didn't have the strength to keep going and died in the womb at 38 weeks.

There is a hospital in Liverpool who deals with these cases called "medical abortions" and they have stated that they deal with on average 2 Irish couples a week. That's just over 100 couples a year and that's just 1 hospital.

Zebra3

lazygal wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/mullen-reports-i-smirked-at-abortion-meeting-entirely-untrue-426635-Apr2012/

I'm sure Jesus would be proud of his attitude.

He ably demonstrates why the voters of the NUI panel need to get the finger out and stop him being elected if there's another Seanad election.

Yeah, voting some other plank onto the gravy train that is the upper house of our national parliament will save us.

But we need not worry, there was all those pre-election promises to abolish the talking shop. Anyone know how those plans are going? :rolleyes:

Johro

FrTony wrote: »

It appears to me that the hip atheist crowd are pro-abortion cos it's cool. Please God it won't be long before it's uncool again.

Typical clergy.

HOS 1997

Does anyone else thinks he resembles a young Brian Cowen?