Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ

cambo2008 wrote: »

Sorry if I'm getting you mixed up with someone else but I keep picturing you as Tex from Alan Partridge......Americanise everything.

You can picture me however you want to picture me honey.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Oh so you didn't read it. You should probably shut the **** about it then until you've read it (or at least grasped the basic concepts) tbh.

No I won't shut the **** up thank you very much. Moneyball is just a lot of nonsense which is based on stats. That is all I need to know.

Will I Amnt

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

You can picture me however you want to picture me honey.

For people talking about stats like crossing or 'goal per game ratio', It's more complex than that. Look at the calculation for OBP, for example.

A stat I'd like to have but isn't available afaik, if I were implementing a moneyball (Or sabremetrics, the actual term), would be pressured (i.e. where a player is being pressed/closed down/tightly marked) passing completion rate - that's the kind of stat that would be useful.

G.K. wrote: »

For people talking about stats like crossing or 'goal per game ratio', It's more complex than that. Look at the calculation for OBP, for example.

A stat I'd like to have but isn't available afaik, if I were implementing a moneyball (Or sabremetrics, the actual term), would be pressured (i.e. where a player is being pressed/closed down/tightly marked) passing completion rate - that's the kind of stat that would be useful.

Or how they control the ball, corners, defending set pieces, football intelligence, creating space on the pitch, pace, movement, confidence and so on.

KeithAFC wrote: »

No I won't shut the **** up thank you very much. Moneyball is just a lot of nonsense which is based on stats. That is all I need to know.

:):rolleyes::o:mad::(:eek::cool::P:confused::pac:

G.K. wrote: »

For people talking about stats like crossing or 'goal per game ratio', It's more complex than that. Look at the calculation for OBP, for example.

A stat I'd like to have but isn't available afaik, if I were implementing a moneyball (Or sabremetrics, the actual term), would be pressured (i.e. where a player is being pressed/closed down/tightly marked) passing completion rate - that's the kind of stat that would be useful.

I don't doubt that Premiership clubs have people employed to take gametape and create new forms of statistical analysis.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

:):rolleyes::o:mad::(:eek::cool::P:confused::pac:

:pac:

It is true though. Ok, you could perhaps look at some stats but to try and base stats on trying to build a football team? I think that is nonsense to be honest.

SM01

KeithAFC wrote: »

No I won't shut the **** up thank you very much. Moneyball is just a lot of nonsense which is based on stats. That is all I need to know.

I'm guessing the polite version of what LuckyLloyd is suggesting is 'do some reseach on the subject you're discussing if you want to be taken seriously.'

You said you looked it up on Amazon - that absolutely does not make you in any way informed on the subject. At best you've a vague notion of what it is and are susceptible to making incorrect assumptions based on your interpretation. Find out more before you take such a firm stance.

Dr Galen

KeithAFC wrote: »

No I won't shut the **** up thank you very much. Moneyball is just a lot of nonsense which is based on stats. That is all I need to know.

If that was all it was then you would be right. It isn't, so you are wrong.

Really, go and read up about it, properly

KeithAFC wrote: »

Or how they control the ball, corners, defending set pieces, football intelligence, creating space on the pitch, pace, movement, confidence and so on.

How is that relevant to my point?

KeithAFC wrote: »

:pac:

It is true though. Ok, you could perhaps look at some stats but to try and base stats on trying to build a football team? I think that is nonsense to be honest.

I do keep saying stats aren't the only thing to be taken into consideration, but this keeps going over people's heads.

Oranage2

Liverpool fans really do make me laugh!

Each year it's like one of those get rich quick schemes for them. But instead of getting rich they think they'll win the league.

StephenHendry

LFC are big time underachievers , they need to get their act together before they are champions again like here

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/video/history-nineties/9806-18th-title

Dr Galen

Considering that more or less every top level team across Europe uses a version of sabermetrics and statistical analysis, your lack of a clue is 100 times funnier than a Kanye gif tbh

Oranage2

Dr Galen wrote: »

Considering that more or less every top level team across Europe uses a version of sabermetrics and statistical analysis, you lack of a clue is 100 times funnier than a Kanye gif tbh

First question:

So do you think Liverpool have tried this moneyball strategy?

Second question:

Will Liverpool get top 5 next season?

StephenHendry

finally an answer to the OPs question if this comes about

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17698239

MonkeyTennis

Oranage2 wrote: »

First question:

So do you think Liverpool have tried this moneyball strategy? NO

Second question:

Will Liverpool get top 5 next season?

Snakeblood

Oranage2 wrote: »

First question:

So do you think Liverpool have tried this moneyball strategy?

Second question:

Will Liverpool get top 5 next season?

That's not the same as asking whether sabermetrics does or can work. Liverpool haven't proved to be good at it, but then, I'm not good at brain surgery. It still works if people are good at it. The jury is still out on whether sabermetrics works with people who are competent in charge.

Dr Galen

Oranage2 wrote: »

First question:

So do you think Liverpool have tried this moneyball strategy?

Second question:

Will Liverpool get top 5 next season?

Every top club ( and many in lower leagues) use versions of statistical analysis. Liverpool have attempted to build on this. That being said though, it takes time, and will not bring major change in one season tbh.

You seem to think that ONLY stats are used in making footballing decisions. That is simply not the case. It is a blend of the qualitative and the qualitative that happens. That also takes time to work out and tweak.

Will Liverpool get top 5 next season, honestly I don't know. It will depend on the summer imho. We have areas that we need to address with incoming players and need tow ork out how to get the best out of what we have. Considering that there is no guarantee that we'll even have the same manager next season, it's probably a bit premature to make that call. I do think we have the capability to challenge for top 5, should have done it this season really.

mufcboy1999

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

So, we've gone from "cat" to "mediocre". Progress!

But yeah, "mediocre" doesn't mean what you think it means either.

oooh, are you going to whip out the dictionary on me again?:eek:

you cant defend your team so you revert to grammer... pathetic, just like your team.

plasmaguy

Assuming Dalglish goes in the Summer based on it not working out, who is his most likely replacement?

I think Louis Van Gaul has expressed an interest, proven manager to be fair, although he'd probably rub everyone at the club up the wrong way.

Sven Goran Erickson, also a proven club manager, did a reasonable job at Man City.

Cappello, think the England job was his last one, and pool couldn't afford his wages.

AVB - Dark horse, might be worth a punt. I think the Chelsea saga was just a blip to be fair, impossible job with the owner sticking his nose in every five minutes. I reckon he'd be super motivated as well to prove himself.

I think the fact pool aren't in the CL wouldn't put off these managers too much.

Apart from that, in terms of British managers, Pardew, Rodgers and a few others.

If recent years are anything to go by, Hodgson, Dalglish and going back further to Evans and Souness, British managers haven't been a success in recent years for Liverpool.

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

oooh, are you going to whip out the dictionary on me again?:eek:

you cant defend your team so you revert to grammer... pathetic, just like your team.

"Pathetic" doesn't mean what you think it means either.

plasmaguy wrote: »

Sven Goran Erickson, also a proven club manager, did a reasonable job at Man City.

:eek:

Nalz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Oh so you didn't read it. You should probably shut the **** about it then until you've read it (or at least grasped the basic concepts) tbh.

Well said!

niallo27

Oranage2 wrote: »

And Football is

different to Baseball

FACT

Were you touched up on a tour of liverpool FC when you were a kid or something, I just don't understand the constant hate.

Dr Galen wrote: »

If that was all it was then you would be right. It isn't, so you are wrong.

Really, go and read up about it, properly

Do I have to read up on it when I don't think it works? I mean, I don't need to read a book on astrology to think it is bollocks.