qrrgprgua wrote: » koth wrote: » http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany Yes sure.. The catholic church was best mates with the nazis,,sure its common knowledge. That is why the vatican allowed the nazis kill 18% of polish priests, 3000 of them.... Did the vatican talk to nazi germany.. Yes...what choice did they have?. Get your facts straight and put them in context of the era!!!!
koth wrote: » http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
qrrgprgua wrote: » Did the vatican talk to nazi germany.. Yes...what choice did they have?
koth wrote: » First off, they're not "my facts", they're a matter of history. Secondly, feel free go show where misquoted the text I posted. I was responding to the incorrect claim that the catholic church always opposed the Nazis. A claim that isn't supported based on the link I posted and which you yourself don't agree with either.
qrrgprgua wrote: » Nazism evolved, they didn't kill jews day one, they didn't make they plans widely known.
WolfgangWeisen wrote: » If the Catholic Church hated the Nazi regime so much, why did they actively help countless scores of Nazi war criminals, including monsters such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Stangl, escape from Germany to Argentina and Brazil?
ISAW wrote: » Try dealing with the actual facts please.
When the Allies arrived in Rome in June 1944, 6,425 of the escapees were still alive. O'Flaherty demanded that German prisoners be treated properly as well. He took a plane to South Africa to meet Italian POWs and to Jerusalem to visit Jewish refugees. Of the 9,700 Jews in Rome, 1,007 had been shipped to Auschwitz. The rest were hidden, 5,000 of them by the official Church − 3,000 in Castel Gandolfo, 200 or 400 (estimates vary) as "members" of the Palatine Guard and some 1,500 in monasteries, convents and colleges. The remaining 3,700 were hidden in private homes
both Hitler and Mussolini were anticlerical... Before Hitler rose to power, many Catholic priests and leaders vociferously opposed Nazism on the grounds of its incompatibility with Christian morals... In 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge condemning Nazi ideology... Summi Pontificatus was the first encyclical released by his successor (Pius XII), in October 1939. This encyclical strongly condemned both racism and totalitarianism... the original Reichskonkordat (1933) of Germany with the Holy See proscribed any active political participation by the priesthood...
ISAW wrote: » They dont believe in the death penalty even today. There were not "countless" scores. if ther were scores that is an oxymoron. By the way ther is a ceratain Fr O flahertyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_O%27Flaherty what you might not know is that he assisted Kappler's escapehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Kappler O Flaherty was aware Kappler converted to catholicism during his trial but advised kappmler not to mention it as thy would think he was lying and using it to get off. i believe O Flaherty actually drove the "getaway" car that brought Kappler back to Germany. It was i suppose assisting a Nazi war criminal to escape but i still think O Flaherty acted nobly.
ISAW wrote: » koth wrote: » First off, they're not "my facts", they're a matter of history. Secondly, feel free go show where misquoted the text I posted. I was responding to the incorrect claim that the catholic church always opposed the Nazis. A claim that isn't supported based on the link I posted and which you yourself don't agree with either. the link you postedhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany#section_3 both Hitler and Mussolini were anticlerical... Before Hitler rose to power, many Catholic priests and leaders vociferously opposed Nazism on the grounds of its incompatibility with Christian morals... In 1937 Pope Pius XI issued the encyclical Mit brennender Sorge condemning Nazi ideology... Summi Pontificatus was the first encyclical released by his successor (Pius XII), in October 1939. This encyclical strongly condemned both racism and totalitarianism... the original Reichskonkordat (1933) of Germany with the Holy See proscribed any active political participation by the priesthood...
The nature of the Nazi Party's relations with the Catholic Church is also complicated. Before Hitler rose to power, many Catholic priests and leaders vociferously opposed Nazism on the grounds of its incompatibility with Christian morals. After Hitler took over and rose to power, party membership was not forbidden anymore and the Catholic Church actively looked for opportunities to work together with the Nazi government. At his trial Franz von Papen said that until 1936 the Catholic Church hoped for a Christian alignment to the beneficial aspects he said they saw in national socialism. (This statement came after Pope Pius XII ended Von Papen's appointment as Papal chamberlain and ambassador to the Holy See, but before his restoration under Pope John XXIII.)
ISAW wrote: There were not "countless" scores. if ther were scores that is an oxymoron.
marienbad wrote: » facilated the escape of nazi war criminals using vatican passports and not on any anti death penaly bulls&*t either.
MrPudding wrote: » I am really glad I have you on ignore, I get just the right amount of your posts, perhaps a little too much, through other peoples quotes, but I am saved from the majority of your irritating pedantic, whatabouttery posts. MrP
The Mad Hatter wrote: » Obvious troll is obvious asshole.
Doctor DooM wrote: » Wow, I thought it was just me...
GarIT wrote: » They may have some sort of a point if you twist what they say slightly. For the progression of society Catholics as well as all other religions need to be gotten rid of. It needs to be done by education though and converting them, not anything else.
bluewolf wrote: » Eh no, they just need to stop being given massive power not "re-education", good lord, you sound like the chinese reeducation camps they can do what they like beyond that
Declan Lander wrote: » Catholics and Jews all the same. Thankfully most people on this forum get that. Hitler had the right idea about them, just wrong method, far too open. We can learn a lot from his mistakes and do a much cleverer job these days. The media and fashion is our weapon, the young our target, they will continue our work for us. The Jews and Catholics are finished. The tide is turning, and we have them on the ropes.
qrrgprgua wrote: » The vatican issued passports to jews to allow them escape, they did not offer to nazis.... Can you name one who got such passport???
Declan Lander wrote: » Catholics and Jews all the same. Hitler had the right idea about them, just wrong method, far too open. We can learn a lot from his mistakes and do a much cleverer job these days.
Is anyone else just disgusted by people that say they are Catholic?
bouncebouncey wrote: » This isn't the sexual abuse thread or the WII thread. That's the question posed in this thread. It's pretty straight to the point. Are you disgusted by anyone who states they are a Catholic. Some of the rubbish been talked about WWII and Nazi Germany is completely embarrassing. Honestly it's cringeworthy. The simplistic views being taken on such a complicated situation are laughable. We have stuff like the Catholic Church should have stood up for their principles 'like the British did'. I couldn't give a monkeys about religion. However people who state they are Catholic don't disgust me. There are many organisations, religious, sporting, social etc.., that have been involved in things that turn the average members stomach. To be honest I'm more bothered by people who talk rubbish and make baseless accusations and statements and present them as fact. Seriously knock the WWII/Nazi stuff on the head unless you actually have real knowledge of what went on. It's gone beyond embarrassing.
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