Ickle Magoo wrote: » I know it was split in mine, and I'm good friends with a female doctor (not GP) who has three kids and a husband who works from home and does the majority of the childcare - if you want to use assumptions from a tiny section of peoples lives to decide if they are up to a job while wilfully ignoring the other 99% of factors that also affects peoples lives then that's your prerogative but it is crackers.
metrovelvet wrote: » Thanks. I always like it when a mod calls me crackers. I'll remember that the next time someone gets banned for personalising.
Ickle Magoo wrote: » "IT" IS CRACKERS, defies logic, makes no sense, put it in whatever words you prefer - how can I be replying to you and also referring to you as it...talk about looking to be offended. I thought you were setting up a "mod calling me" nonsense with your last post and then thought you'd be above that and I wouldn't have to spell it out.
metrovelvet wrote: » It amounts to the same thing, whatever semantic loophole you want to use.
Women still do the majority of the household chores, despite their increased participation in the labour market. Women spend nearly 3 hours a day on average on housework (excluding shopping and childcare). This compares with the one hour 40 minutes spent by men. Women also spend more time than men looking after children. Men, on the other hand, work or study for an average of nearly 2 hours a day more than women (4 hours 20 minutes a day compared with 2 hours 30 minutes for women).
As previous research has shown, domestic work is highly gendered. Women continue to have disproportionate overall responsibility for domestic labour, including child care and housework, in couples and in aggregate, in many countries; and in addition, women actually carry out more unpaid work in the home than men. But they often see little or no unfairness in this distribution (Sanchez and Kane, 1996; Lennon and Rosenfield, 1994). This „paradox‟ (Braun et al., 2008) motivates much research (for example, Grote, Naylor and Clark, 2002; Braun et al., 2008; Baxter, 2000). ....... qualitative re-search in Sweden finds that men and women avoid explanations for the ways they di-vide housework that could be seen to indicate gender inequality, referring instead to fi-nancial rationales, personal qualities or special circumstances (Ahlberg, Roman and Duncan, 2008; Björnberg and Kollind, 2005; Nordenmark and Nyman, 2003). ....... However, while 69 per cent of British couples said that the responsibility for housework should be shared, only 34 per cent reported that it was shared ..... women with more alternatives to their marriage (paid work, income) perceive unequal divisions of domestic tasks as unfair, whereas women with fewer alternatives report greater acceptance of the situation. Nordenmark and Nyman (2003) .... As in previous research findings, men often reported or were reported as „helping‟ with housework, by „giv[ing] her a hand‟ ... Gender relations also operate in the field of child care. British attitudes have „improved‟ in terms of views about gender roles; but attitudes towards working mothers are less progressive (Crompton, Brockmann and Wiggins, 2003). There is more literature on the division of housework than child care in couples..... It may be important, for example, to distinguish „child care‟ from „spending time with children‟; .. In our sample of couples, there was some differentiation, in discussion, between who performed child care itself, and who took responsibility for it .. having children causes more housework (Craig, 2006); and performing housework can interfere with perform-ing child care and vice versa ... In the United States, men with egalitarian gender attitudes decrease their hours of paid work on becoming fathers, while men with traditional gender attitudes increase them ... It is questionable how often childcare decisions are made consciously, or how often these decisions, where made, are explicitly negotiated. in comparison with child care, housework is virtually ab-sent from UK policy discourse. Social policy has kept the domestic division of labour at home (Oakley, 2002). Yet,.... Policies that offer genu-ine choice for parents‟ work-family balance are difficult to achieve (Lewis, 2007). And Cooke and Baxter (2010: 529) argue that neither the market nor policy has managed to close the gender gap in (paid or) unpaid work across developed countries.
Ickle Magoo wrote: » Not dragging a thread off-topic by arguing with moderator instruction is a basic tenet of Boards in every forum. If you have any questions regarding moderator instruction then you PM the mod in question and request clarification that way, you can find the charter for this forum here and a guide to general Boards posting rules and etiquette here.Lazy generalisations, particularly ones that start "Women...." or "Men...." and seek to speak for everyone in that gender just serves to inflame and annoy - giving a personal opinion is one thing, making sweeping statement about an entire gender is never going to be true and thus is completely pointless._________________The problem with this type of moderation is that I didn't make 'lazy generalisations'. When I say men enjoy a sense of entitlement I mean that collectively their sex does enjoy a sense a privileged position in society. This is not to zone in on individuals who DO or don't have privileged lives, or senses of entitlement. It is a statement of fact that collectively men are in a better position. A moderator who can't understand the arguments isn't really fit to breeze in with a lazy "don't make generalisations". And then when pressed, couldn't even identify the alleged "generalisations". This is the sort of 'moderation' which actually makes a total mockery of Moderation.What does moderation in this context mean? That the argument must stay within the realms of what the moderator himself has the ability to grasp and understand? So it would seem!And because I'm a newbie to boards I will be smacked back down. I may be a newbie to boards but I'm not a newbie to the internet or to em, life. So I can recognise a total farce when I see one.Moderation my AR*e as Jim Royle might say. I do hope I haven't offended the delicate sensibilities of the moderator. Perhaps he/she might like to be a bit less lazy next time he/she wades cheerfully into the middle of something he/she has clearly not read properly.
Sharrow wrote: » oh my someone really doesn't understand the rules around here.
metrovelvet wrote: » Its the LL. Shouldnt it be dont be a pussy?
Sharrow wrote: » It is good that fathers are now in many cases taking on more of the responsibility and hands on care of their children. My Dad did but that was 15 years ago when he shocked my grandmother and my aunts by changing my nappy(terry cloth, sharp nappy pin and all) while my mother was sick instead of handing me over to one of them. There are Dad's who know how hard it is to be at home with little ones and do give their partners a break and give a hand with the house work instead of expecting it all to just get done, but as wonderful as these men are, I don't think they are in the majority yet.
metrovelvet wrote: » Sorry Maple I take it back, plus I made a sweeping generalisation in assuming one that its only women posting here and two that all women have vaginas. My mistake. I withdraw it.
Ickle Magoo wrote: » How do you know they weren't feminists? Barring the AH type bra burning response, I mean...
Micky Dolenz wrote: » I mean the ultra hardcore stereotype feminists. I am sure every women is feminist to a degree but I have never walked away from a conversation with a woman and thought, "fcuk me, what a feminist" after they have shoved their beliefs down my throat.
bluewolf wrote: » s/feminist/rude person/ ??
Micky Dolenz wrote: » I do however support all and any movement dedicated to getting rid of bras, silly contraptions.
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