Tremelo wrote: » Okay, I'll risk attack here to say that you should go it alone. WW actually failed you the first time. You regained some or much of your weight, as do 80-95% of WW customers eventually. Time to try something new so, no? If you actually learn about nutrition rather than working out how many propoints are in an ice-cream, you'll do better (in my humble opinion).
whiteonion wrote: » Try low carb, once you go low carb you don't go back.
bulmersgal wrote: » its worked for you before.
harr wrote: » Hi I just went back to ww last night after 3 years,the last time i was in ww i lost 5 stone and kept that off for over 2 year but i have slowly started to gain again through my own fault. looking at the new pro points it does look a lot healthier then the old points system and with fruit now free points.i now have 44 pro points to use daily and the added advantage of 49 free point to use per week.I find ww does work but you need to stick with the healthy life style once you louse the weight.
Monife wrote: » +1. Losing weight needs to be a long term, lifestyle change. You have to sincerely WANT to lose the weight and WANT to keep it off. It is very easy to have the mindset, "Ah sure i'll get to goal and then I can eat what I like". That will just get you back to square one. You need to want to change your life and eating habits, forever. I think any plan would work, once you felt you could stick with it in the longterm. I find WW a good starting base, especially with the new plan. For me, I wouldn't have been able to start losing weight (3 stone 1lb gone so far since November, another 5 stone 7lb to go) because I wasn't clued up about nutrition or portion sizes. I also find the meeting does instill motivation in me and also getting weighed every week, I know, for myself, if I was doing it at home, I would have given up by now. The new plan is great. Fruit and veg is 0 points and all the "bad" stuff (like crisps, bread, alcohol, fizzy drinks, processed carbs etc) are seriously high in points. You also have the added safety net of weekly bonus points for unplanned events like dinner out or a bottle of wine and don't have to save your points anymore. I think only you can decide what weightloss plan is best for you.
Tremelo wrote: » *sigh* Good luck anyway. You'll need it.
misslt wrote: » In fairness, it's not the WW plan that makes people put weight back on when they're finished it, its the person themselves. If someone doesn't want to work at keeping weight off then they won't, regardless of how they lost it in the first place!! If the plan helps someone lose weight then it works for them - it's up to the individual if they do or don't put it back on when theyre finished!
Flurry wrote: » Then, when exams and college are over for good at the end of May I am going to try to still stick to points, but cut out all processed foods and up my protein intake while cutting back on carbs.
Tremelo wrote: » Wrong, wrong, wrong. Short-term thinking at its best. The plan does not work for the vast majority of people on it. The facts prove this. Sure, you'll lose weight on it. And then, like 80-95% of WW clients, you'll pile it on again just like the OP did. Any good fat-loss programme works for life, for the maintenance as well as for the loss phase. Clearly, WW does not. Why is this? It's because WW, as a SUSTAINABLE weight control plan, is an abysmal failure. Low fat ice-cream and low-fat pizzas, weekly points to eat junk, jellies and beer, high points for nutritious, filling, high fat foods. All wrong, all unsustainable, and the statistics prove it. Who will count points for the rest of their lives? I'm not going to get into it any further. I sincerely wish the OP and everyone on WW well, and I genuinely hope they lose excess weight and MAINTAIN a healthy weight thereafter. The odds are quite clearly stacked against them though.
misslt wrote: » Not necessarily. What I try to do is maximise my points, get as much food for as little points that will fill me, and that leads me to eating more healthy foods. I won't need to count points for the rest of my life because I'll know whats good for me, what fills me, what doesn't - and using points in WW is a great way of learning what is what. I don't intend to follow WW for the rest of my life, as I've said in another thread here, I'm using it as a starting point, as a way of learning how to eat healthily.
If someone is only using WW as a quick fix to shift weight and using their points for 'Low fat ice-cream and low-fat pizzas, weekly points to eat junk, jellies and beer' then of course it's not going to work long term for them!
Your attitude towards it, by the way, is very unfair to people who might want to try it. You never know, it might work very well for them whereas a low carb or something else might not.
Tremelo wrote: » All I can say is that this is a sensible and admirable intention. True, and the reason I said that is because the WW thread at the top of this forum is full of posts made by people who do just that. There is nothing "unfair" about pointing to the abysmally low long-term success rate of WW. Is it really unfair to say to someone, "fine, try it if you like, but you've a 90% chance of getting very fat again afterwards". It might not be gentle or sensitive, but again, the facts speak for themselves. I happen to think that life is too short to be on a never-ending weight-loss/weight-gain roller coaster.
misslt wrote: » Your somewhat blinkered attitude towards it is the bit that annoys me, have you tried it?
Tremelo wrote: » "Blinkered"? Facts misslt, facts. Always follow the facts. Abysmally low long-term success rates. Why do I need to say more? Of course I haven't tried WW. Why would I a) pay someone money for something that I can do myself and b) pay to do something that has an abysmally low success rate? Heck, does a day go by without someone posting on the WW thread about gaining while on the programme or about re-joining WW for the second or third time? Even the people who've said it works for them (such as the last poster) had to rejoin because they regained weight. They didn't count the points. Just as I asked above, who will count points for the rest of their lives? I'll tell you one thing though. I have plenty of cousins and aunts and uncles who have been on, or are on, or who have rejoined WW over the course of years. Not a single one of them has a healthy BMI, or has maintained a healthy BMI for 2 years post WW. If you are one of the 10% who someone manages to make WW work for you for years and years of weight maintenance, then I commend you. Don't ignore the other 90% though. They're the majority.
misslt wrote: » Fair enough, and absolutely the majority has re-gained and then re-joined, but my point is that's their own fault, not the WeightWatchers plan. It's a weight loss plan, not a maintenance plan - so the onus falls on the person to ensure they maintain their weight. And yes I'm using the word blinkered because you appear to be very dismissive of it from the get go, instead of appreciating the fact that someone might want to use it to lose weight in the first place - the structure etc as I've said is a great starting point for someone wanting to do this. I hope I'm one of the 10% and I intend to be - its completely up to me
misslt wrote: » It's a weight loss plan, not a maintenance plan - so the onus falls on the person to ensure they maintain their weight.
And yes I'm using the word blinkered because you appear to be very dismissive of it from the get go
instead of appreciating the fact that someone might want to use it to lose weight in the first place - the structure etc as I've said is a great starting point for someone wanting to do this.
I hope I'm one of the 10% and I intend to be - its completely up to me
harr wrote: » i regained weight because i was stupid in what i was eating and i knew my diet was wrong,i did stop counting points because there was no way i was going to be counting points for the rest of my life its not practical.
i look at a ww meeting like a AA or gamblers anonymous meeting some people have a problem with over eating and they need some support a person attending a AA meeting knows drinking will kill them the same way as an over eater will die early from various health issues,its very hard for someone who can control there eating to under stand this concept.
I know ww is a business is there just for financial gain but even if only 10% of people keep the weight off is this not a good thing?
i kept my weight off for 3 years and due to health matters last year had to stop training this is when my weight crept back up.
Dont knock people because they want to try to get healthy at least they are getting off there arse and trying, criticise the people who refuse to even try and do something about there weight.
Tremelo wrote: » Eureka! I was obese at one point too, so I know what it's like. I was addicted to sugar and was ignorant about nutrition. WW would not have helped me with either of those problems. On the contrary, it's a disaster for the other 90% who part with their money. But you said above it crept back up in part because you stopped counting points. I'm not knocking anyone. I'm simply pointing out that most people who do WW are fat again within 36 months. You would think this would be a helpful thing to point out to those looking to lose weight. There's too much heart and not enough head at play here it seems.
Davei141 wrote: » Its very irritating also knowing the abysmal success rate they always jump out of the WW megathread to recruit in droves yet are never seen on any thread with proper advice.
