Offy wrote: » Im simply pointing out that as an engineer with 10+ years experience I wouldn't lift my ass for €40k, that doesn't mean a copper with the same experience is worth the same as me, I don't believe they are worth as much to society as an engineer is, the link I provided earlier validates this.
K-9 wrote: » Because some Guards are married? Btw, I'm not, don't know what gave you that idea? You complain about welfare regularly and post about the high welfare rates and disincentive to work. Seems it doesn't apply to Guards though.:rolleyes:
Offy wrote: » Ive earned it!
donkey balls wrote: » Are you for f**king real yet your so called professional traffic corp are to uphold the law regarding the above and fine people for not obeying the law,Then again I probely know more about the H&S act 2005 WTD etc and transport laws than most of the corp fact,And if it's the case that the H&S act does not apply how do Gardai sue the state for injuries like a cival case the employer must be found negiable in not providing measures put in place to stop injury to their emplyees as set out under the 2005 act.
angelfire9 wrote: » And offy, you won't get out of bed for less than 40k? Seriously? So what should I as a qualified accountant with more than 10 years experience be holding out for? 50k? 70k? Are your qualifications worth more than mine? If you really knew what running a household, paying a mortgage and having kids entailed you wouldn't come out with those kind of statements! I'd happily get out of bed for €30k and that in itself would be a massive drop on my last salary It's not what I'm worth that matters It's paying bills and having a life as opposed to an existence!
k_mac wrote: » How exactly? It's only some part of the legislation that doesn't apply to the gardai. I don't see what it has to do with traffic cops though.
Upper upper class. "Old money." People who have been born into and raised with wealth; mostly consists of old "noble" or prestigious families (e.g., Earl of Shrewsbury, Vanderbilt, Rockefeller).Lower upper class. "New money." Individuals who have become rich within their own lifetimes (e.g., entrepreneurs, movie stars, top athletes, as well as some prominent professionals).Upper middle class. Professionals with a college education, and more often with postgraduate degrees like MBAs, Ph.D.s, MDs, JDs, MSs, etc. (e.g., doctors, engineers, dentists, lawyers, bankers, corporate executives, head teachers, university professors, scientists, pharmacists, airline pilots, ship captains, actuaries, high level civil servants, politicians, and military officers, architects, artists, writers, poets, and musicians).Lower middle class. Lower-paid white collar workers, but not manual laborers. Often hold Associates or Bachelor degrees. (e.g., police officers, fire fighters, primary and high school teachers, accountants, nurses, municipal office workers and low to mid-level civil servants, sales representatives, non-management office workers, clergy, technicians, small business owners).Upper lower class. Blue-collar workers and manual labourers. Also known as the "working class."Lower lower class. The homeless and permanently unemployed, as well as the "working poor."
Offy wrote: » An accountant is worth far more than a copper imo. Look the facts remain, coppers get paid to much, the service they provide is crap and they are power hungry bullies. Like coppers accountants dont create jobs, tax income (not anywhere on the same level as engineers anyway) and in social stratification where do they stand? We engineers are up on top with doctors, ahh look just click on this link, Ive made it easy for you!
greenoverred wrote: » Sorry mate. I was asking where would I get a wife to help with the bills. Big difference. At least you've given up on the motoring costs. Anyway your still missing the point. These were not meant to be a breakdown of my expenses although they are similar. These are expenses that every working person MAY have. When you take them into consideration with other deductions, 50 grand doesn't be long disappearing. And before you jump in on me again neither does 40grand, or 30grand. By the way you want me to declare my entire household income on here and yet you have no intention of letting us know what you work at
dresden8 wrote: » I fear you might not be taking the piss. It's possible you are that stuck up your own ass. Hope it turns out well for you.
dresden8 wrote: » And yet those self-same Gardai have absolutely no problem knocking the crap out of people who are protesting the policies of the governments that have led the Gardai to this pretty pass. Irony much?
angelfire9 wrote: » Sorry I know I'm tired but I've no idea what you mean? What has employment legislation got to do with the traffic corps??? And offy, you won't get out of bed for less than 40k? Seriously? So what should I as a qualified accountant with more than 10 years experience be holding out for? 50k? 70k? Are your qualifications worth more than mine? If you really knew what running a household, paying a mortgage and having kids entailed you wouldn't come out with those kind of statements! I'd happily get out of bed for €30k and that in itself would be a massive drop on my last salary It's not what I'm worth that matters It's paying bills and having a life as opposed to an existence!
tayto lover wrote: » What a disgusting response !! Obviously has had history with the Gardai and trying to get even on an anonymous thread !!
gurramok wrote: » Ah come on K-9, you know well you cannot compare a welfare couple to a single earner. It ain't fair for starters and it does not comprise both 'salaries' for examination. Compare singletons in both cases and then compare couples to each other.
dresden8 wrote: » Hardly. You must have forgotten the student protests. Any real holes to pick in my arguement?
Offy wrote: » Just incase that isnt clear:Upper middle class. Professionals with a college education, and more often with postgraduate degrees like MBAs, Ph.D.s, MDs, JDs, MSs, etc. (e.g., doctors, engineers, dentists, lawyers, bankers, corporate executives, head teachers, university professors, scientists, pharmacists, airline pilots, ship captains, actuaries, high level civil servants, politicians, and military officers, architects, artists, writers, poets, and musicians).Lower middle class. Lower-paid white collar workers, but not manual laborers. Often hold Associates or Bachelor degrees. (e.g., police officers, fire fighters, primary and high school teachers, accountants, nurses, municipal office workers and low to mid-level civil servants, sales representatives, non-management office workers, clergy, technicians, small business owners).Taken from: Thats the way of the world! So as you can see we engineers ARE worth more than coppers or accoutants.
tayto lover wrote: » Yes i remember it. My son was on it and he said he never saw such a crowd of troublemakers in his life. Described some of them as "out for trouble". So they got it then and he said they deserved it. They don't give the Garda batons for as a decoration and if they use them then they have to report on why they used them. Usually the Ombudsman gets involved as far as i know. I knew you had history.
tayto lover wrote: » I knew you had history.
K-9 wrote: » 1949! Read the rest of the piece.
gurramok wrote: » You have a wife, you deceived us from your original post. You stated various income(single) and various expenses, to back up your claim truthful figures would not hurt. Anyway, anyone who claims to be struggling on 40k in any profession has a serious lifestyle adjustment to make. Living beyond your means comes to mind.
K-9 wrote: » Okay, point out where I mentioned single people? I mentioned married welfare recipients so the natural comparison would be? Singletons is your own creation and strawman.
K-9 wrote: my good self wrote: Different categories of struggling there. Its shameful how you lump someone on the dole as a struggler with a person on 50k as a struggler. The former has a crap standard of living while the latter still has a high standard of living out of choice. Well Welfare for a married couple together with all the benefits can be about 30k Net so not that different as the Guards here are talking about 40k net.
my good self wrote: Different categories of struggling there. Its shameful how you lump someone on the dole as a struggler with a person on 50k as a struggler. The former has a crap standard of living while the latter still has a high standard of living out of choice.
Offy wrote: » None of that changes the fact that cops are overpaid and when the IMF gets through with them they will struggle even more with their bills.
Offy wrote: » Thats when the model was published, your point?
K-9 wrote: » Did he actually say he was single?
dresden8 wrote: » Always with the assumptions. I never said I was there. I hope you aren't going for the detective exams, your powers of deductive reasoning are flawed.
sillybird wrote: » And so will you struggle too if you have that attitude that you won't get out of bed for less than 40K! A LOT to learn...
gurramok wrote: » This is what you said Its quite reprehensible that you quote a dole recipient(plural) to a 40k earner of any profession in the struggling stakes.
K-9 wrote: » It's 62 years old. The article then goes onto list newer models that has Accountants as middle class. It's from a time Accountants were seen as book keepers. Nowadays CEO's are usually Accountants.
