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Poles getting Irish passports

beagle001

Hey,
3 polish girls at work have received their Irish passports since the new year and 4 more have told me they have applied for Irish citizenship.
Main reason being to obtain a visa for Oz and USA but some so they can get benefits a bit quicker or take up education.
Now I must say all of them are nice folk and not in it to scam the system just to aid their future.
I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

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southsiderosie

giant_midget wrote: »

The Irish have always lived in the US...:rolleyes:

And Ireland, until the 1990s, was always one of the poorest, most economically backwards countries in Europe. What's your point?

dr.bollocko

giant_midget wrote: »

Now the Poles will be doing their usual :rolleyes:

Oh dear...

giant_midget wrote: »

No not at all...we come from a normal country. We were part of the civilised EU before all the barbarian countrys entered. We have a skilled workforce and have come from a prosperous country, Not a war thorn dump where teachers and doctors get paid 200e a week...

Oh double dear...

giant_midget wrote: »

must be some Polish blood in you if you cant grasp basic figures and do research on something.

Yeah that's pretty much all I need to read from you.
Banned.

tweedledee

Yup thats right the Irish were there before the native Indians,the Spanish,the British,they were also in Oz before the Abo's,in south America before the Aztecs,yup the first human beings came from Ireland!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what a tool.

conorhal

ceadaoin. wrote: »

And theirs was approved, get over it.

I don't know how you can justify your ridiculous double standard that it's ok for Irish people to do it because it somehow means more to them!

What are you talking about? Australian citizenship is the concern of Australia. My concern is the devaluation of Irish citizenship by people that wipe their arse with it when granted it. Where's your pride?

TeddyTedson

beagle001 wrote: »

Hey,
3 polish girls at work have received their Irish passports since the new year and 4 more have told me they have applied for Irish citizenship.
Main reason being to obtain a visa for Oz and USA but some so they can get benefits a bit quicker or take up education.
Now I must say all of them are nice folk and not in it to scam the system just to aid their future.
I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

This is great news. Finally the country has come good. Let's breed with them and become a self contained sovereign country.

Dusty87

giant_midget wrote: »

The Irish have always lived in the US...:rolleyes:

aye, sure the first thing chris columbus did when he discovered south america was have a pint of the black stuff in 'o casey's' irish bar.

Nodin

conorhal wrote: »

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?

...more that the '3bbil EU' line is a bit misplaced.

knipex

conorhal wrote: »

Really?
Well I guess it must have nothing to do at all with those treaties we signed that surrendered any semblance of border control and that permit any EU citizen (or person married to an EU citizen) to reside here regardless of whether we either need or want them, and once here they cannot be excluded from working the system in the manner that the OP describes?
That fact has made Irish citizenship a commodity and a joke rather then a privilege and a responsibility.

Equally any irish person can live and work in any EU country.

the EU does not enforce our rules on naturalisation or granting of citizenship that's entirely up to us.

You can blame the Eu for allot of things but blaming them for this is akin to blaming them fro a flat tyre because they helped fund the roads.

harney

aujopimur wrote: »

And dey tuk our wimmin

Thankfully they left some of their own :cool:

stovelid

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Because I am hereby finished with my pedantic bastardism.

Argubaly.

Nodin

conorhal wrote: »

................. My concern is the devaluation of Irish citizenship by people that wipe their arse with it when granted it. .........

You'd best start with native born paddies then so....

FTGFOP

Dusty87 wrote: »

aye, sure the first thing chris columbus did when he discovered south america was have a pint of the black stuff in 'o casey's' irish bar.

Wouldn't that have been cool though? "How're ya, Chris? What kept ya?"

El_Dangeroso

southsiderosie wrote: »

Residence is not the same thing as citizenship, and the Irish government is actually quite choosy about granting citizenship to those who are not of Irish ancestry: you need five years of residence, the last three of which should have been without any kind of state support, and the application itself takes, on average, over two years to process. Seven-plus years to citizenship is by no means a quick-hit process, nor is approval guaranteed.

If anything Irish citizenship is (was) a commodity for many Irish-Americans, who used the fact that their grandfather was born in Ireland to get an Irish passport. This is without ever having worked or paid taxes in Ireland, or having any knowledge of Irish history, politics or culture. And these rules regarding bloodline citizenship existed long before the EU appeared on the scene.

THANK you, I was waiting for someone to clarify what a long, drawn-out process obtaining Irish citizenship actually is. I know an Austrian girl who has just started the process. It takes a minimum of 5 years, a LOT of money to lawyers and you have to keep your record so clean as even speeding fines could jepordise your application. You have to REALLY want to be a citizen of this country, not an easy hopping-stone to Oz or the US.

Methinks the OP is making this story up just to get reactions..

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

The fear that they might emigrate? No, the fury at their blatant disrespect to the privilege of Irish citizenship and the notion that it bestows nothing more then a transit visa..

Well hang on. Going by the OP nobody has shown any disregard for it, nevermind blatant disregard.

conorhal wrote: »

There is a difference between the entitlement to claim and the entitlement to a citizenship and more to citizenship then a sense of entitlement. You're application for citizenship can be declined.

Yes it can. Unfortunately for you you still have not identified any reason why the ladies in the OP should have their applications declined, other than the fact that they are Polish, and may emigrate further.

prinz

conorhal wrote: »

Where's your pride?

In it's correct place. Where's yours?

ceadaoin.

conorhal wrote: »

What are you talking about? Australian citizenship is the concern of Australia. My concern is the devaluation of Irish citizenship by people that wipe their arse with it when granted it. Where's your pride?

I was talking about when you said the below about Irish emigrants who gained citizenship from other countries. Seems like a double standard to me?

conorhal wrote: »

In further news, I'd imagine that citizenship meant more to them than a piece of paper to be used as an effective transit visa.....

These people have obviously been living here for at least 5 years for their application to be granted. In those 5 years they have contributed to the country by paying taxes etc the same as anyone else.

Why should they not have the right to an irish passport and the opportunties that come with it (which many Irish born people have also availed of) if they so wish?

Nodin

FTGFOP wrote: »

Wouldn't that have been cool though? "How're ya, Chris? What kept ya?"

No, if he was arriving late to the session the words that would have gone down in history would more likely be 'Alright there, Gee-features'.

jackiebaron

giant_midget wrote: »

Hopefully the Australians have sometihing in place that does not allow a visa to be granted to people like this.

In my humble opinion you should have to be a citizen of the country of your passport for 10 years before any working visa's are granded. The Australians are very strict about immigration, I went through quite a few checks when i was there in various states.

They have too many scroungers and non skilled people trying to get into their country every day...Now the Poles will be doing their usual :rolleyes:

So this Polish girl who has spent at LEAST 5 years in Ireland, worked and paid taxes, learnt the language, kept a clean record and even boned up on Irish history, civics and culture which are required to be eligible for citizenship is a SCROUNGER?
In your humble opinion????? WTF are you talking about?

jackiebaron

conorhal wrote: »

So what's your point, that two wrongs make a right?
I vehemently disagree with that greedy grasping crook's flogging of citizenship to the highest bidder also.
It sickens me that money can buy the right to vote. As far as I'm concerned the OP should shop these lassies to the immigration bureau. We grant citizenship and the right to participate in our parliamentary democracy as a privilege and not a right, they can and should be refused their application on the grounds that their application is false.

Shop them? And tell the authorities what exactly? That the passport recipients are going to use their Irish passports for the same purpose as all other Irish passport holders use them, i.e. to travel?? I can see the citizenship bureau personnel laughing him/you out of the office. Get a grip man and stop being such a freakin begrudger.

jackiebaron

RachaelVO wrote: »

Yep, my children have both dutch and irish!

I think that when they reach the age of 18, the Dutch require them to choose.

Shenshen

beagle001 wrote: »

Hey,
3 polish girls at work have received their Irish passports since the new year and 4 more have told me they have applied for Irish citizenship.
Main reason being to obtain a visa for Oz and USA but some so they can get benefits a bit quicker or take up education.
Now I must say all of them are nice folk and not in it to scam the system just to aid their future.
I thought that an EU national could not take up another EU citizenship without giving up their countries of births citizenship.
Seems this is different in Poland they can hold dual passports.
Any info on this

Kudos for them for being able to afford them!
I've been reading up on it as I've been living here for 8 years now, bought a house recently and thought it would be nice when I have children to at least have a bit of a say in how the country is run... I honestly don't have the spare cash to buy an Irish passport just yet, it's ridiculously expensive to get.

sandmanporto

this annoys me. Employers here employ them over irish people; they never make an effort to integrate and keep to themselves; they complain about here! Now theyre abusing our nationality to move to a country that doesnt let them in as easy as us! Makes me sick!
How the hell are they entitled to an irish passport in the first place? Did they marry irish or what? Does that mean i can get a polish passport too?

jackiebaron

conorhal wrote: »

And as I pointed out before, I assume they became Australian/British/American, voted in national elections and like my uncle that emigrated to the US in the 50's, proclaim their allegiance to their adopted nation (while still being proud of their Irish heritage) and who's children proudly call themselves Americans. They didn't do it for a piece of paper that make it easier to get a visa to Poland.

Jesus Christ but you're a self-righteous one bleating on about the application of these Polish girls being false. What falsehoods have they written on their applications that you know of? You just can't bear to see anybody move up a notch can you. You complain about our borders being porous thanks to the EU allowing free movement of people to come to Ireland. Now you're bitching because two of them might leave.

RachaelVO

jackiebaron wrote: »

I think that when they reach the age of 18, the Dutch require them to choose.

No, they are talking about insisting that NON eu citizens (ie turkey and morocco) have one or the other. They have not control over it and they currently don't have the right to make us or them choose as their father is dutch, and I'm Irish. There also wont be able to back apply the law, so if the do change it, and its a big if, it can only apply to children born after the law is passed (if that makes sense)...

Too many people kicked up too much trouble over it last year when they talked about in the Dutch parliament that they have left it for the moment!

sandmanporto

a passport should only be granted to people with parents from the country or because of birth place. Seriously, my i dont see the irish passport as irish anymore.
Im irish by blood and this is taking the piss out of the irish nationality!

Shenshen

sandmanporto wrote: »

this annoys me. Employers here employ them over irish people; they never make an effort to integrate and keep to themselves; they complain about here! Now theyre abusing our nationality to move to a country that doesnt let them in as easy as us! Makes me sick!
How the hell are they entitled to an irish passport in the first place? Did they marry irish or what? Does that mean i can get a polish passport too?

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/becoming_an_irish_citizen_through_naturalisation.html

Shenshen

sandmanporto wrote: »

a passport should only be granted to people with parents from the country or because of birth place. Seriously, my i dont see the irish passport as irish anymore.
Im irish by blood and this is taking the piss out of the irish nationality!

So you'd be happy for a sizeable portion of the US deciding Irish elections, but not people who live and work here?

Interesting indeed.

ejmaztec

sandmanporto wrote: »

this annoys me. Employers here employ them over irish people; they never make an effort to integrate and keep to themselves; they complain about here! Now theyre abusing our nationality to move to a country that doesnt let them in as easy as us! Makes me sick!
How the hell are they entitled to an irish passport in the first place? Did they marry irish or what? Does that mean i can get a polish passport too?

You should nip over to Warsaw and ask them. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms.

Dusty87

sandmanporto wrote: »

they never make an effort to integrate and keep to themselves;

really? Im goin out with one and have a child with her, as does another poster here i know of. Maybe there is a reason they keep to themselves around you???

sandmanporto

poles probably say now: 'lets go to ireland, make a sh*t load of money, then get their passport and go to oz'. Sickening. Its taking advantage of the one thing we have that they don't OUR NATIONALITY!