itsallaboutheL wrote: » Some of the stupidest **** i've seen done in gyms was by intercounty GAA players.
cc87 wrote: » An intercounty player in the same gym as me insists on doing about 348 situps using one of those Ab King Mach Stealth Power Pro thingys every time hes in the gym
Remmy wrote: » An Intercounty goalie I know thinks weight training is bad because it makes your muscles heavy and slows you down.
deadlybuzzman wrote: » Ive had daft stuff like that said to me a few times and then I ask them have they ever seen a wide reciever in american football move?
Remmy wrote: » Yeah thats a good way to explain it all I could conjure when he came out with that gem was one of these
Frogdog wrote: » I've seen an intercounty footballer, of a very high standard, with some of his friends from his club, come into a gym down home quite often. All they do is bench press, sit ups and bicep curls and then a 15 minute jog on a treadmill. No wonder footballers/hurlers are so far behind rugby players in terms of physical development if that's the attitude to strength training.
discus wrote: » Lets be fair here, if they've never been exposed to proper training, how can they be expected to just know about proper strength and conditioning? Lets face it, how many on this very forum knew what a squat or deadlift was before they started reading the Fitness Forum regularly?
discus wrote: » Lets be fair here, if they've never been exposed to proper training, how can they be expected to just know about proper strength and conditioning? how many on this very forum knew what a squat or deadlift was before they started reading the Fitness Forum regularly?
deadlybuzzman wrote: » thats the thing though when I seen the hurlers on the swiss balls that was after their entire squad had done what was basically a Curves circuit on machines. I find it mad that when they push these players so hard(and at club level too) that the people that run the sessions are not more clued up. If the players are that commited and put in so much effort then the trainers should hold up their end of things and direct them in the right direction. If they can pay managers then they can at least for pre season hire a real strength and conditioning coach.....oops did I say they pay managers?!! :rolleyes:
WHIP IT! wrote: » That's exactly it, first time I ever joined a gym was with my GAA club. The programme we were put on (by the gym manager) involved cardio first - interval running on a threadmill, some bike/cross-trainer work, followed by what I too would describe as a "Curves Circuit". I'm not sure we were even shown where the free weight section was. We didn't know any better, I'd never seen the inside of a gym in my life and it took about six months of lurking and asking ridiculous questions here for me to figure out any kinda half-effective strength programme suitable for GAA. I still know very little - but alot more than I did then.
nice_guy80 wrote: » Are those players from a county that actually wins things?? Probably not. Strength and conditioning costs a good bit of money for a team. Most county boards are trying to reduce costs at the moment. Most inter county players have jobs to work in as well - unlike pro rugby players. Most rural county boards do not have high performance well kitted out gyms like professional rugby teams do. But, aside from all that... GAA managers are often reluctant to ask in outside help for fear that they will be shown up for their lack of knowledge or that their approach is not the correct one.
nice_guy80 wrote: » But, aside from all that... GAA managers are often reluctant to ask in outside help for fear that they will be shown up for their lack of knowledge or that their approach is not the correct one.
WHIP IT! wrote: » I'm not sure if you quoted the correct post there but anyhoo - my point was, we, as players, didn't have any knowledge of S&C training for GAA and neither did our then manager... so he sent us somewhere where he thought we'd be properly directed, ie - the local gym with supposedly well-qualified instructors - as it turns out, not so well qualified!
BlueIsland wrote: » Hold on a second. this is a ridiculous statement. Are you comparing an amateur sportsperson who gets up for work on a monday morning the same as the rest of us to a guy who has a big fat IRFU contract??? because amateur rugby players are nowhere near as well conditioned as amateur g.a.a player comparing like with like! there are obviously midguided intercounty players who have poor programmes and ideas on conditioning. Like there are amateur rugby players who have poor programmes and ideas on conditioning. you cannot add pro rugby players to the equation who are getting world class training, programmes, technique sessions and most importantly the adequate rest and rehab to be brilliantly conditioned.
Frogdog wrote: » Rugby players, comparing like for like, are far superior to GAA players when it comes to diet & nutrition, strength and conditioning, fitness........etc etc.
nice_guy80 wrote: » Football, hurling and rugby are not the same game Players have different needs for all three sports. You cannot really compare.
Hanley wrote: » Bing-f*cking-go. Even by the fitness forum's standards, this is ridiculous.
nice_guy80 wrote: » oops. Have I pissed off someone?
mushykeogh wrote: » Hard to say but i think it may have been here "3) If you want big strength gains and muscle gain you should use roughly the following plan. 6 sessions of high reps (15 reps) and 3 sets of each exercise" I suggest core isnt important? No, i was dismissive of ab crunches, core is crucial, ab crunches are not, id be recoomending planks, side planks, bridge, roll outs, med ball work, and anti rotation work as mentioned earlier. Crunches wont be worth a damn if you have a typical lower cross syndrome host of imbalances present. Shoulders and triceps may be used to push a player off but not if there isnt a stable core present, and single leg stability and strength. Im sure youve heard the saying "you cant fire a canon from a canoe"! As for researching before making statements, i have, im a past student of pat flanagan, involved in the fitness prep of kerry football in there last two all irelands wins, iv also attended workshops with him, they focussed alot more leg stability and strength work than upper body outdated workouts. As ian Mckeown tthe former lead strength and conditioning lead at sini recommended in a presentation for gaa, work on single leg stability then strength, core strength and endurance, general kinetic chain function,and then upper body function. I can email it to any one who would like it.
