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How is Obama Destroying America

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Pot calling the kettle black?

I don’t want to deviate any more from the topic, otherwise to again be accused of hijacking the thread. (Some of us are required to operate by different standards than others.) Maybe you might want to start a new thread on that particular topic and I would be more than happy to oblige.

Okee Dokee.

How is he destroying America?

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Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

Okee Dokee.

How is he destroying America?

Sorry. Not ignoring you, it’s just that a problem between a Belly Dancer, an old Jet Fighter Pilot, and an Anarchist needs my attention (don’t ask... geeeez... family!). I will get back to you later and show you the way.

Overheal

You can take all the time you want. Either way I remain skeptical of any systematic destruction of the country by the white house. As for incidental destructions, sure fire away. Extra points for not requiring references to Nazi Germany.

rovert

Barack Hussein Obama :eek:

LostinKildare

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Denerick

donegalfella wrote: »

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I'm glad you recognise that the big government legacy is a shared one with both parties, dating back to Nixon (Even including Reagan) Republicans ignore the elephant in the room by increasing spending and cutting taxes. Democrats ignore the elephant in the room by increasing spending and leaving taxes static.

America needs to embrace social democracy as a full measure, not the half hearted measure it currently has. Taxes across the board should go up, by around 10%. Stop the spanner in the works - namely, military spending. Furthermore, embrace Latino immigration from the south (You need a supply of cheap labour and future taxpayers to pay for retirement benefits) and stop the absurd policy of subsidising foreign PHD students and then making it so difficult for them to become citizens that they just give up and go back to their host countries. The evidence supports that a large proportion of highly educated people with masters degree and higher would like to migrate to the United States. Embrace this demographic whole heartedly.

Obama is not ruining America. He's merely more realistic about what the future holds than most.

jank

donegalfella wrote: »

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Jezz, even for you that is a stretch!

Its funny that all of a sudden that big government spending is a problem now but not 18 months ago. Especially considering there were/are 2 wars being fought that have no real interest to america.
Funny also that you post a graph that spans 1970 to 2080 and somehow proportions blame to obama who has been not been in power even 100 weeks never mind over 100 years. Remember Reagan grew the deficit too and rose taxes!!;)

Give the guy a fcuking break!

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Overheal

Thats fine but Im not sure that really helps answer my original question. The trend you highlighted has been going on for 50 years. Why now do we have the Tea Party Movement and Amerikas and Nutso like Glenn Beck coming out of the wood work and saying this president - THIS PRESIDENT - is destroying america. Not the last 50-100 years worth of Presidents?

Memnoch

Because he's black. and probably Muslim

Denerick

Memnoch wrote: »

Because he's black. and probably Muslim

To be frank, thats the answer. The 'truther' movement, mainly subscribed to by far right whackjobs and tea party activists, is merely a ruse to point out that Obama has an African father. Who is black.

To paint Obama as a left wing demagogue is absurd. With the exception of an egregiously watered down health care bill and a one off stimulus package, Obama has ruled as a centre right politician, hyping up the 'war on terror' (Despite not actually using those words) and of course, old right wing preserves are still intact, such as a ring fenced military budget, and Gitmo is still alive and well.

kev9100

The idea that Obama is destroying America is ludicrous. He is merely a moderately left-of-centre politician who is trying to clean up the mess that was left by the Bush administration.

But why don't we face the real question here? Why didn't the Tea Party lift a dam finger when Bush turned a budget surplus in to a massive budget deficit and vastly expanded the federal government through two wars? I'll tell you why, its because the majority of Tea Partyers don't like having someone who doesn't look like them in the White House.

Overheal

well given our resident republicans and conservatives dont seem able or willing to answer the question, I'll look up some examples from the interwebz.

/types "Obama is" into google homepage

- the antichrist
- a liar
- a joker
- a socialist
- a communist
- literally hitler
- a racist

Oh boy oh boy, where the hell do we start?

I think we'll just knock the Godwin out of the way first.

Obama is a) A Socialist? b) A Communist? c) Literally Hitler? or d) All of the above!!11!!11One1!!

Well, I'll spare you the history lessons. I got a C1 in History. And even I know the difference between Hitler and Stalin. The two are in many ways, mutually exclusive.

So he's probably Not Stalin at least. Not a Communist, Collectivist, or dare say even a Fascist (*shock*)

Literally hitler? Hmmm. Hitler, if alive today, would be 110 years old, and not black. I'm just going to presume my status of not a complete mental degenerate devoid of the concepts of time and space and assume he cannot literally be hitler. Even if I were religious, and believed like voldemort Hitler had been surviving in the Bavarian Wilderness by drinking the blood of stray Jews and Unicorns. That would still be unlikely; because everyone knows Unicorns don't exist.

Now on to the antichrist. Not being a religious guy, wtf is the Antichrist anyway?

/well, I just asked my boss, and he laughed at me: "The Antichrist will be One World Leader that all government will be handed over to him; a monarch, and he'll be from Europe or Asia."

My Boss is pretty big on the bible now

So by any stretch of Hawaii or Africa, we can strike *that* off the list of things The Obama is not.

Racist? Gonna have to explain that one to me. Perhaps Glenn Beck has already tried to base his accusations about this?

Joker? I mean the guy has a sense of humour ("Hallelujah, Holla Back" - Barrack Obama) But I wouldn't put him up there with even Robin Williams. /low blow

Liar? He broke campaign promises, like every other politician in History. Hot Damn! :eek:

Now to the Pertinent Question:

How is Obama Destroying America? I've heard everything from Health Care to Missile Shields and heard desperate attempts to have him impeached on laughable charges. From what I can see, he's done nothing any other President would not.

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

well given our resident republicans and conservatives dont seem able or willing to answer the question,

Wrong again in your assumption. Sorry I’m not under your timeline (actually I’m not really sorry). You forgot to put the Jeopardy music link to your post to indicate you wanted a relatively quick response (I’m still waiting for a decent response for mine though).

Since you were hell bent on jacking up your smoking pipe for a rousing bit of leisurely reading, I thought I would oblige. I googled “Obama Destroying America” and it came back with over 13,300,000 hits. Unfortunately you would need the “Fountain of Youth” to go along with that smoking pipe for all that reading. Just think, 13,300,000 with less than a year and a half into office. Care to take a gander on what it will it be after 4 years or (god forbid) 8 years… in the quadrillions, quintillions, sextillions, septillions, octillions, nonillions, decillions, undecillions, duodecillions, tredecillions, quattuordecillions, quindecillions, sexdecillions, septendecillions, octodecillions, novemdecillions, vigintillions, undecillions, vigintillions or in the centillions (hey, at least now you can say you learned something from this post).

But seriously, first of all, I think “Destroying America” is a bad choice of words. I hope he can’t destroy our way of life, and hope that our country is strong enough to withstand the Obama. And smart enough to correct his actions, policies and agenda before it is too late. Personally, I would say Obama is “Bad for America.”

And I would say pretty much everything he has done so far is bad for America. And his favorability numbers seem to support my thoughts also. I was going to list each of his major accomplishments as POTUS so far, and provide links from others who do keep score of his misadventures (and as support/continuity for my claims and for your reading pleasure). But if you can’t wait, then take it at that… Every major policy change Obama has accomplished so far is bad for America, except maybe for additional troops to help in the war on terror. And I’m pretty sure most polls continue to put the ratings at around 60% that say Obama’s decisions are 'Bad for America.'

He is a threat to our current way of life (but not if we want to become Euromerica), and an elected mistake for America, that voters will hopefully correct in 2012.

Here are a couple of individuals (not experts… just average Americans) that ARE keeping track, and who seem to say what is on the minds of the majority of Americans these days.
http://hoosierarmymom.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/this-from-isgp-10-ways-obama-is-destroying-this-country/
http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-obama-is-bad-for-america.html

Oh yeah, I’ve seen a couple of ignoramus responses in this thread… why no faux outrage? (Rhetorical question)

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rovert

Amerika wrote: »

Wrong again in your assumption. Sorry I’m not under your timeline (actually I’m not really sorry). You forgot to put the Jeopardy music link to your post to indicate you wanted a relatively quick response (I’m still waiting for a decent response for mine though).

Since you were hell bent on jacking up your smoking pipe for a rousing bit of leisurely reading, I thought I would oblige. I googled “Obama Destroying America” and it came back with over 13,300,000 hits. Unfortunately you would need the “Fountain of Youth” to go along with that smoking pipe for all that reading. Just think, 13,300,000 with less than a year and a half into office. Care to take a gander on what it will it be after 4 years or (god forbid) 8 years… in the quadrillions, quintillions, sextillions, septillions, octillions, nonillions, decillions, undecillions, duodecillions, tredecillions, quattuordecillions, quindecillions, sexdecillions, septendecillions, octodecillions, novemdecillions, vigintillions, undecillions, vigintillions or in the centillions (hey, at least now you can say you learned something from this post).

But seriously, first of all, I think “Destroying America” is a bad choice of words. I hope he can’t destroy our way of life, and hope that our country is strong enough to withstand the Obama. And smart enough to correct his actions, policies and agenda before it is too late. Personally, I would say Obama is “Bad for America.”

And I would say pretty much everything he has done so far is bad for America. And his favorability numbers seem to support my thoughts also. I was going to list each of his major accomplishments as POTUS so far, and provide links from others who do keep score of his misadventures (and as support/continuity for my claims and for your reading pleasure). But if you can’t wait, then take it at that… Every major policy change Obama has accomplished so far is bad for America, except maybe for additional troops to help in the war on terror. And I’m pretty sure most polls continue to put the ratings at around 60% that say Obama’s decisions are 'Bad for America.'

He is a threat to our current way of life (but not if we want to become Euromerica), and an elected mistake for America, that voters will hopefully correct in 2012.

Here are a couple of individuals (not experts… just average Americans) that ARE keeping track, and who seem to say what is on the minds of the majority of Americans these days.
http://hoosierarmymom.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/this-from-isgp-10-ways-obama-is-destroying-this-country/
http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-obama-is-bad-for-america.html

Oh yeah, I’ve seen a couple of ignoramus responses in this thread… why no faux outrage? (Rhetorical question)

Bush destroyed America got 5,290,000 results

Your point?

Amerika

rovert wrote: »

Bush destroyed America got 5,290,000 results

Your point?

Not really making a point, but since you brought up that interesting statistic, and comparing 5,290,000 for 8 years of service to 13,300,000 for 1.5 years of service, that extrapolates out that Barack Obama being about 13.5 times as bad for America as was GW Bush. And if the trend continues, after 8 years Obama will be almost 110 times worse than Bush. Hey figures don't lie.;) Thanks for your help.

Denerick

Amerika wrote: »

Wrong again in your assumption. Sorry I’m not under your timeline (actually I’m not really sorry). You forgot to put the Jeopardy music link to your post to indicate you wanted a relatively quick response (I’m still waiting for a decent response for mine though).

Since you were hell bent on jacking up your smoking pipe for a rousing bit of leisurely reading, I thought I would oblige. I googled “Obama Destroying America” and it came back with over 13,300,000 hits. Unfortunately you would need the “Fountain of Youth” to go along with that smoking pipe for all that reading. Just think, 13,300,000 with less than a year and a half into office. Care to take a gander on what it will it be after 4 years or (god forbid) 8 years… in the quadrillions, quintillions, sextillions, septillions, octillions, nonillions, decillions, undecillions, duodecillions, tredecillions, quattuordecillions, quindecillions, sexdecillions, septendecillions, octodecillions, novemdecillions, vigintillions, undecillions, vigintillions or in the centillions (hey, at least now you can say you learned something from this post).

But seriously, first of all, I think “Destroying America” is a bad choice of words. I hope he can’t destroy our way of life, and hope that our country is strong enough to withstand the Obama. And smart enough to correct his actions, policies and agenda before it is too late. Personally, I would say Obama is “Bad for America.”

And I would say pretty much everything he has done so far is bad for America. And his favorability numbers seem to support my thoughts also. I was going to list each of his major accomplishments as POTUS so far, and provide links from others who do keep score of his misadventures (and as support/continuity for my claims and for your reading pleasure). But if you can’t wait, then take it at that… Every major policy change Obama has accomplished so far is bad for America, except maybe for additional troops to help in the war on terror. And I’m pretty sure most polls continue to put the ratings at around 60% that say Obama’s decisions are 'Bad for America.'

He is a threat to our current way of life (but not if we want to become Euromerica), and an elected mistake for America, that voters will hopefully correct in 2012.

Here are a couple of individuals (not experts… just average Americans) that ARE keeping track, and who seem to say what is on the minds of the majority of Americans these days.
http://hoosierarmymom.wordpress.com/2009/04/28/this-from-isgp-10-ways-obama-is-destroying-this-country/
http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2010/05/why-obama-is-bad-for-america.html

Oh yeah, I’ve seen a couple of ignoramus responses in this thread… why no faux outrage? (Rhetorical question)

This is amazing! You didn't actually say anything of substance there, just re-iterated a few well worn catchphrases - 'Obama is bad for America', 'Obama was an electoral mistake', 'Everything he has done is bad for America'...

Again, you are not on the Rush Limbaugh show. Thinking people require more information and argumentation than mere slogans.

toiletduck

donegalfella wrote: »

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This pretty much. Eight years of everything from Bush installing himself as dictator to him taking loadsa golf breaks in the lead up to 9/11 contributing to the event somehow, being given weight (well Obama has him beat there anyways). I guess the Republicans learned throw enough ****, and some of it will stick.

I read an article lately which was pointing out what the reaction would have been if the previous president made a joke about drones in the light of the amount of civilian casualties in recent times.

Is Obama destroying America? No. But the truth doesn't matter, and didn't during 2001-2008.

Memnoch wrote: »

Because he's black. and probably Muslim

Heh, just like those who said Bush was destroying the country were anti-Americans right?

Amerika

Denerick wrote: »

This is amazing! You didn't actually say anything of substance there, just re-iterated a few well worn catchphrases - 'Obama is bad for America', 'Obama was an electoral mistake', 'Everything he has done is bad for America'...

Again, you are not on the Rush Limbaugh show. Thinking people require more information and argumentation than mere slogans.

Anybody know how to link the above post to the Urban Dictionary as a definition and example of “Faux Outrage?” :rolleyes:

rovert

Amerika wrote: »

Not really making a point, but since you brought up that interesting statistic, and comparing 5,290,000 for 8 years of service to 13,300,000 for 1.5 years of service, that extrapolates out that Barack Obama being about 13.5 times as bad for America as was GW Bush. And if the trend continues, after 8 years Obama will be almost 110 times worse than Bush. Hey figures don't lie.;) Thanks for your help.

Yep Republicians are that more mental.

(Not a shot at you obvs)

Denerick

Amerika wrote: »

Anybody know how to link the above post to the Urban Dictionary as a definition and example of “Faux Outrage?” :rolleyes:

I'm not outraged, I'm amused. You see, I'm not a shock jock on some pathetic right wing show that peddles outrage for profit. I enjoy your political sloganisings, they make me laugh. They remind me how lucky I am to live in a relatively sane country.

Amerika

Denerick wrote: »

I'm not outraged, I'm amused. You see, I'm not a shock jock on some pathetic right wing show that peddles outrage for profit. I enjoy your political sloganisings, they make me laugh. They remind me how lucky I am to live in a relatively sane country.

Hey, glad I can entertain you (and glad you can't vote in the next US presidential election). Don't forget to buy gold.

Amerika

jank wrote: »

Give the guy a fcuking break!

Here is little humor for you to add to your post, then it won't sound so pathetic.

kev9100

Amerika, can you please just answer this simple question? Why didn't conservatives care when Bush destroyed the Clinton surplus and launched two foreign wars? All I want is a simple answer.

alastair

I look forward to the ramped-up GOP circus of the next presidential campaign, and the new heights of paranoia that Obama's second term brings. It can only get weirder and funnier.

(I thought Clinton was destroying America years back - you mean there's still a ways to go?)

Amerika

kev9100 wrote: »

Amerika, can you please just answer this simple question? Why didn't conservatives care when Bush destroyed the Clinton surplus and expand two foreign wars? All I want is a simple answer.

As I recall, Conservatives were outraged, but Republicans were not. As for me, I wasn’t thrilled with Bush’s excessive spending. And I'm really not thrilled about Obama’s massive spending. (Personally, I think Bush’s social spending was a payback to Democrats for their support for the war on terror). I really don’t think Clinton had a surplus though, as I believe it revolved around some trickery in the way expenses were reclassified (see below). And we were attacked, which resulted in wars, and wars do cost money... You can’t fight them with spitballs (although John Kerry tried to).

Acceptable?

Fiscal ..... Year
Year ..... Ending ..... National Debt ..... Deficit
FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion
FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion
FY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion
FY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion
FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billion
FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion
FY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion
FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billion
FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion

Killer Pigeon

Irony:

Barrack - Iraq
Hussein - Saddam Hussein
Obama - Osama

:P

Overheal

Amerika wrote: »

Not really making a point, but since you brought up that interesting statistic, and comparing 5,290,000 for 8 years of service to 13,300,000 for 1.5 years of service, that extrapolates out that Barack Obama being about 13.5 times as bad for America as was GW Bush. And if the trend continues, after 8 years Obama will be almost 110 times worse than Bush. Hey figures don't lie.;) Thanks for your help.

Well you aren't exactly accounting for Internet Inflation. When bush took office boards.ie was till about Quake and 1337 5P34k and we were just coming out from the .com bubble... people still used Yahoo for fecks sake.

When Obama came to office, we had all manner of facebooks myspaces and twitters in place.

Conclusively, I place little stock in the number of hits on google as a polling statistic.

Amerika wrote: »

As I recall, Conservatives were outraged, but Republicans were not. As for me, I wasn’t thrilled with Bush’s excessive spending. And I'm really not thrilled about Obama’s massive spending. (Personally, I think Bush’s social spending was a payback to Democrats for their support for the war on terror). I really don’t think Clinton had a surplus though, as I believe it revolved around some trickery in the way expenses were reclassified (really, how can you claim to have a $236 billion surplus, when the national debt increased by $18 billion). And we were attacked, which resulted in wars, and wars do cost money... You can’t fight them with spitballs (although John Kerry tried to).

Acceptable?

I'll grant you that. I can even see why that alone is enough for the Tea Party Movement. Still doesn't explain why he's being described as the Hitler-Communist Antichrist, but its a start

Amerika

Overheal wrote: »

people still used Yahoo for fecks sake.

Now you've gone too far!!! I still utilize Yahoo as my homepage (I even still utilize Lotus for most spreadsheet apps, then import it into Excel to make it look like I prefer XLS and to print, and even run two DOS based programs for the business). You can insult me, the GOP, even Sarah Palin, but don't pick on my Yahoo.