altairscreed wrote: » Camp gay's wreck my head, i mean WTF are you, are you trying to be a girl because if you are then it's not working also do they have something wrong in their head's because who else act's like that, do they have no shame, have they ever heard of being embarressed, i dont give a sh1t about them being gay it's just how they act
pickarooney wrote: » I'm a bit confused. There was a gay bad guy in Desperate Housewives?
Links234 wrote: » Sometimes I suspect that some of the more straight-acting gay men are the ones that are putting on an act, not the feminine acting or camp ones.
Mardy Bum wrote: » OP if you want to understand why you feel like you do read or watch some of Judith Butler's works. She is one of the leading gender and queer theorists in the world. Go to around 4.40 in the video link.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALx1MEW2P3U&feature=related
sponsoredwalk wrote: » Wow, I hope some of the people on this thread will watch that video from 4.40 to 7.00
Sorry wrote: » Was with you up until there. Very curious to know what exactly you mean by 'straight-acting', and why you suspect these men to be putting on an act?
Links234 wrote: » I suspect that some gay men might try to act more typically masculine because as this thread shows, it's seemingly ok to hate someone for being perceived as feminine or camp, even to the point of being stigmatized by other gay men.
sponsoredwalk wrote: » That's what I thought you meant, and I would say is the case sometimes.
Sorry wrote: » Perhaps it is sometimes the case, perhaps what people say above is sometimes the case. People will always say 'I know this guy who came out as gay and immediately began talking differently and acting all camp.' Then you have people making a judgment of all camp/effeminate gay men based on this.
Sorry wrote: » People from all sides have opinions concerning gender/sexuality that I believe to be a nonsense, but such is life. In my time, I've heard them all: Camp men are gay. Gays are effeminate. Gay men who don't conform to the sterotypical notion of a homosexual man are straight-acting or self-hating. Gay men who do conform to the stereotypical notion of a homosexual man are an embarrassment and are perpetuating the stereotype. Gay men who don't wish to talk about their sexuality are betraying the cause. Gay men who talk about their sexuality are in your face, blah blah blah
sponsoredwalk wrote: » Alright, there's been enough pure hate on this thread & I've read next to no-one respond against it. Tell me, how does a man acting camp mean he is trying to act like a girl? Tell me, if a girl is not prissy do you dislike her for being too mannish? Tell me, why would someone be embarrassed for acting in a way they feel more comfortable? Should people with blue hair start apologising because they chose to change their hair blue today? How do you know that there is something wrong in a persons head because they choose to act in a way that is more comfortable to them? I would say there's something wrong with you because you can't see that somebody has chosen to act in a way comfortable to them, they aren't afraid to do something that idiots perceive as embarrassing. Tell me, when did being camp instantly mean you are gay? Have you ever met someone who you perceived as being camp only to find out they weren't gay? It's always refreshing to hear that undercurrent of hate from Irish people, the annonymity of the internet definitely serves some good, I bet some of you would go nuts with all this PC rhetoric you read nowadays about equality :rolleyes: At least you have some way to unwind
sponsoredwalk wrote: » Yeah, if that is so it's horrible & really thoughtless. If that ever happened well then there are so many other questions to ask instead of instantly assuming you have the answers. Lol, you can't win :pac: Seriously, if there's one thing psychology has taught us is that nearly all generalizations are bound to fail in some respect with regard to humans. Not even psychologists themselves can make sweeping claims, every attempt has to be rigorously backed up & is constantly criticized, (a good thing).
Sorry wrote: » Hell, I know a man who gave away his complete boxset of Frasier when he found out that most of the male leads on the show were gay.
Sorry wrote: » I also lived with a guy who secretly watched gay porn, left ads on gay hook-up sites and simultaneously relentlessly bullied a gay friend for being a 'fag.' He is the most homophobic person I've ever met. Funny how these homophobes tend to turn the conversation around to gay sex so often.
sponsoredwalk wrote: » :eek: That is crazy! Also, there weren't that many gay people on Fraiser, as far as I remember Niles was, Bulldog was and the food critic guy was. Hey, maybe that's where the legions of flamboyant, in your face, gay people came from - Fraiser :pac:
