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[US/IRL] 6x17/18 - "The End" (2.5 Hour Series Finale) [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

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- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "THE END" -

Episode Title: "The End" (Series Finale)
Airdate: May 23rd 2010

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JDee

seadnamac wrote: »

Dude, that is your interpretation. It may be the popular interpretation, but it's still only that, an interpretation.

No need for the 'tude. (telling people to give up television, go watch big brother).

Its not an interpretation. Anyone who watched this and thought the island timeline was purgatory should stick to The Hills. End of story.

And shame on the 30 or so people who have marked this 1 out of ten. You didnt deserve this show for the past 6 years.

ixoy

the_monkey wrote: »

So .... are they all dead or what ?

Ah screw it - they're all dead. They were dead from the beginning when the plane crashed. The flash sideways is an alternate timeline if they had lived and the ending, where they say Jack is dead, is a nod to the main storyline where they're dead as opposed to the flash sideways where they're alive.

Also: Locke orchestrated the whole thing. If you look in episode twelve, you'll see a very clear clue to this in the fifth scene. You might need to freeze frame it, but once you see it you can't but help see how Locke (with the help of his pal Smokey) was the mastermind.

How come Christian was alive in the alt timeline - when he died in this one too ??

I told ya - the alt timeline is where they were all live! He only died in the original timeline just before everyone died in the pilot. Except Vincent, who lived (that's why the final scene is Vincent hovering over Jack's corpse from the pilot).

RolandIRL

i'm surprised no-one's giving out about the heart of the island. seemed a bit disappointing to me.

to fix the island, all you have to do is switch it off and then on again! :P almost seems like a joke from the Lost producers

the_monkey

chupacabra wrote: »

Also, Vincent coming out of the jungle when Jack was dying.... wow.. one of the greatest tv moments in my life time.

Yeah +1, was amazing really nice scene with Vincent there beside him
and his big plodders !

kingcurls

JDee wrote: »

Its not an interpretation. Anyone who watched this and thought the island timeline was purgatory should stick to The Hills. End of story.

And shame on the 30 or so people who have marked this 1 out of ten. You didnt deserve this show for the past 6 years.

Read my mind!...anyone who thought the island was purgatory was not following the show for 6 years straight and was cynically waiting for a sham of an ending so when something gave a hint that the island and all of it was a dream/purgatory/aliens/an experiment/insert other shoddy ending, jumped on the chance to hate the ending

watch it again...I mean all of it

Scuba Ste

ixoy wrote: »

Also: Locke orchestrated the whole thing. If you look in episode twelve, you'll see a very clear clue to this in the fifth scene. You might need to freeze frame it, but once you see it you can't but help see how Locke (with the help of his pal Smokey) was the mastermind.

.

How could Locke orchestrate anything if he's already dead. Nope, the island happened and the FS is purgatory.

Either way crap finish, should have stayed in bed.

kingcurls

Scuba Ste wrote: »

How could Locke orchestrate anything if he's already dead. Nope, the island happened and the FS is purgatory.

Either way crap finish, should have stayed in bed.

I think your sarcasm meter might be on the fritz.

the_monkey

ixoy wrote: »

I told ya - the alt timeline is where they were all live! He only died in the original timeline just before everyone died in the pilot. Except Vincent, who lived (that's why the final scene is Vincent hovering over Jack's corpse from the pilot).

but wait , jack dying here is not the same as the JAck from series 1 ep 1 scene 1, he looks up at the plane leaving and is happy that Lapidus richard miles sawyer etc are leaving ..

Marcaiocht_Tonn

It's been mentioned a few times that it was a dissapointment to see the island fixed by it merely being "switched off and on again", vis a vis a Windows on the blink.

This crossed my mind too, but don't forget that the full series of events was in fact:

1. Switch light off.
2. Kill MIB.
3. Switch light on again.

The middle step is a very significant one (although arguably not-so seeing as shooting him did the trick. But that's because switching off the light apparently made him mortal).

I also think the light cave CGI redeemed itself. While in "Across the Sea" it actually just did look like a river with some golden light somewhere inside, this time the effects in the finale did give a real sense of potent power - i.e. when Des first stepped in, the column of light went on the fritz and pulsed. Not to mentioned the scary hellish red light when the plug was removed. Very Temple of Doom.

In the context of letting go of answers to mysteries, this kind of generic sci-fi fare was well done and the acting great.

JDee

Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »

1. Switch light off.
2. Kill MIB.
3. Switch light on again.

Brilliant. Amongst everything that was going on I missed that

Royale with Cheese

Did anyone else think Jack was going to use Hurley to plug the hole Desmond created?

kingcurls

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Did anyone else think Jack was going to use Hurley to plug the hole Desmond created?

Haha Hurley would have no choice other than protect the light then would he!

JDee

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Did anyone else think Jack was going to use Hurley to plug the hole Desmond created?

:D:D

donfers

Marcaiocht_Tonn wrote: »

People keep posting that the characters found out they were dead all along. You need to understand that this is incorrect. I think you'll enjoy the episode a lot more if you re-watch it and take this into account. I bet this is where some of the 1/10's are coming from.

They're dead in the FST, yes, but that's taking place well after the main story arc of Lost.

The island story arc ends with Jack dead from his encounter with MIB, having plugged the hole. Rose, Bernard, Vincent, Ben and Hurley staying on the island, with Hurley as the new Jacob and Ben as the new Richard. Lapidus, Ford, Kate, Myles and now-aging Richard escaping on a plane. Desmond presumably escaping at a later stage on his boat. This all actually happened within the context of Lost.

Regarding Des leaving the island, his boat was still there. Being a competent sailor he'd have no problem (given the right bearing).

about leaving the island, did anybody notice that some of the conditions were met again i.e. lapidus flying the plane, six losties on it and some arriving late

ixoy

the_monkey wrote: »

but wait , jack dying here is not the same as the JAck from series 1 ep 1 scene 1, he looks up at the plane leaving and is happy that Lapidus richard miles sawyer etc are leaving ..

Faith. Think about it: In the alternate time line Jack's dad tells him he's dead. As in he's dead on the island, not in the alt timeline. Jack's smile means he knows this to be true. It's not because he's been presented with hard solid sciene but because he has faith in his father.

Now take it a step further - the golden light in the cave is a sort of nebulous mana if you will. When people in the alt. timeline come to their own peace, they get to use this power and conclude their storylines in the purgatory timeline. Releasing it enabled the people to alter the reality of their purgatory. That's why Jack can die smiling - in the alt. timeline he takes faith, uses the island's "mana" to alter his own perception of the island (a.k.a purgatory) and re-interpret his time there to be a happy one. Hence: the smile.

dbs_sailor

i didn't particularly give a **** about the flash-sideways or whatever it you freaks call it

i've watched every episode of this and i just feel like a tool for justifying the choices made by writers early on. the end was nice enough but i honestly thought there was going to be a more eh... comprehensive reveal of what's going on with the island etc... i dunno.

i dunno.

i wish i never started watching lost.

Marcaiocht_Tonn

Hurley's gonna produce an awful lot of ash when his time comes... they can spread protective rings around the entire bleedin' island.

Basq

conanm wrote: »

i didn't particularly give a **** about the flash-sideways or whatever it you freaks call it

Careful now..!

requiem1

One thing gets me, why at the start of the season, when they were introducing the other "timeline/parallel universe/purgatory" did they show the island underwater? was that something to show that, in this place they made up, the island had been destroyed? or was it that Hurley and Ben had possibly failed in protecting the island?

The Rook

seadnamac wrote: »

No, that's an interpretation.

No no, you're wrong there...it's not an interpretation. He's right it's a fact.

ALthough while you may choose to interpret it one way, it is then a "mis-interpretation" and you are wrong.

Simples!

The Rook

carnsoreboxer wrote: »

Absolutely loved it

Said in beginning they were all dead

Reminded me of a Mitch Ablom novel

Superb stuff we'll never see the likes of it again ever, ever, ever

Can't vote keeps saying I have done already!

Then you were wrong from the beginning !!!:D

ziedth

I loved it tbh.

I nearly got sick at the thought that they were dead all along the relief I felt when I realised the real ending was almost worth the ending alone.

One question though that I might have missed, why would daniels mother try and stop desmond in purgatory

RolandIRL

conanm wrote: »

i've watched every episode of this and i just feel like a tool for justifying the choices made by writers early on. the end was nice enough but i honestly thought there was going to be a more eh... comprehensive reveal of what's going on with the island etc... i dunno.

i dunno.

i wish i never started watching lost.

don't you realise that Lost is about the journey. when you read a book, you don't read it because the ending's good (it helps though), you read it because you enjoy the thrill of reading it piece by piece. Lost is like a novel. it's a good book. you expected the ending to be epic, and was massively let down because it wasn't as good as you hoped. don't let that one episode tarnish what you and Lost have shared for the last 6 years.
i was a bit disappointed as well, but i'm happy with the overall journey.

Stuxnet

JDee wrote: »

And shame on the 30 or so people who have marked this 1 out of ten. You didnt deserve this show for the past 6 years.

not very fair, just cos your in the 10/10 camp your feelings and thoughts are the total opposite of others, theres no need to condemn, you've had a few snide remarks towards those that disagree at you, everyone is entitled to there own opinion and interpretation of the finale events without having to take flack

dbs_sailor

basquille wrote: »

Careful now..!

ha i'm kidding - i mean that affectionately.

i spent many a day in my old job reading this forum and the lost forum and then bugging my friends with the theories etc... but i just feel like it's all time wasted now.

hey - it's tough as hell to sew the whole thing up in a single series - why'd they bother digging themselves into a hole? i bet if i look in the other forums or the whine about lost thread i'll see a lot of this stuff mentioned but it's just irritating to me...

the mystery is so much more attractive than the actual explanation - whether it's good or bad or whatever. the actual massive discussions that i had with people back around season 2 or 3 just seem laughable now.

Bulktohulk

ziedth wrote: »

I loved it tbh.

I nearly got sick at the thought that they were dead all along the relief I felt when I realised the real ending was almost worth the ending alone.

One question though that I might have missed, why would daniels mother try and stop desmond in purgatory

She wanted to spend time with her son. She was scared Desmond was going to take him with him,and she'd be left behind as she wasn't ready to move on yet.

Dman001

Loved it, brilliant ending.

Was also surprised not to see Walt in the ending as we were told he would be, but they also said Lapadus was dead. Apparently there will be 20 minutes additional footage on the DVD with some questions answered.

I'm trying to figure out the significance of Juilette saying "It worked" at the beginning of the season. Also I'm not sure if it was necessary for Jack to be married to Juilette and have a son in the "purgatory" timeline. Did they do this just to throw us off?

Delighted to see Christian in the episode (I didnt realise how funny his name is until Kate laughed in this episode).

Like others, I thought that Jack would be healed by the water at the end, and when we saw him outside the cave I too thought we may have another Smokie on our hands. But I loved how he died exactly where he began at the beginning of the series.

The only downside to this episode was the fact that there is space for a Lost spinoff. Give it a few years and Im sure we will see a spinoff that may involve Hurley's and Ben's time on the island, or maybe even new protectors of the island.

ziedth

requiem1 wrote: »

One thing gets me, why at the start of the season, when they were introducing the other "timeline/parallel universe/purgatory" did they show the island underwater? was that something to show that, in this place they made up, the island had been destroyed? or was it that Hurley and Ben had possibly failed in protecting the island?

I think your right in that in their world there was no Island and it was a great red herring to throw us all off

kingcurls

Just finished watching the episode again and i noticed something strange about the very very very last image of jacks eye closing....was it just me or was it the opening season one episode one first image of jack opening his eye in reverse..i mean the literal same video clip played backwards??

RolandIRL

Dman001 wrote: »

I'm trying to figure out the significance of Juilette saying "It worked" at the beginning of the season. Also I'm not sure if it was necessary for Jack to be married to Juilette and have a son in the "purgatory" timeline. Did they do this just to throw us off?

i'm thinking that Juliette said "it worked" meaning that they were transported/teleported back to their original time (in 2004/after), that the bomb worked and they were still alive. the incident took place but was contained by the bomb.

that's my interpretation anyways. i think we presumed it was about the Flash-sideways, and got it set in our head, but it seems we were wrong...i think