DepecheHead101 wrote: » Do you? I think the onus is on you to prove that, in your words, a very very small minority, can use recreational drugs safely. Personally I think you are full of it, or perhaps deluded from prior experiences in certain drug circles, but what would I know - being a responsible drug user.
Herbal Deity wrote: » @Playboy: If you managed to hold down a job and be successful academically, what is it specifically that you regret?
delop wrote: » Hi Guys, I was watching TV the other nite and saw an ad for the GAA, they were sponsored by a beverage called Guinness, I think it must be an energy drink from what I saw on the ad, So I decided to head to the local 'pub shop' as they are locally known and I had a number of Guinness', I felt a bit strange, I started to have feelings of relaxation and cheerfulness, later that evening I started to experience blurred vision and coordination problems. I then started to have irrational and slightly violent thoughts towards a building across the road called 'St Luke's' and finally i got violently sick. I didn't sleep very well that night,and woke up feeling terrible the following day, depressed and ill. My question is should I report this establishment to the Gardai under the new law (psychoactive substances law) introduced by Minister Ahern?
Playboy wrote: » Im an adult .. I did probably more drugs than you will do in a lifetime.
Playboy wrote: » Whatever m8 .. I was at it for about 10 years..
Playboy wrote: » FACT is drugs are bad news .. if you dont think so you are either (a) an idiot or (b) havent done enough of them that you regret it.
Playboy wrote: » Its starts out fine .. something you do with your friends at the weekedn.
Playboy wrote: » You want me me to prove that the majority of people cant use dependency inducing, addictive, mind altering, illegal narcotics safely? Take a trip to NA, AA, any rehab clinics
Playboy wrote: » just a general wasted youth and life by the majority of people I came across who had been on the scene for a long time. Genuinely wish I had never even touched one. Had some great times as well but in hindsight I would swap those memories in an instant if I could turn back the clock.
Playboy wrote: » Probably the fact that I would be 10 years further along in my career and my life than I am now. Had specific mental issues due to continued 'weekend' use that I still have to deal with and get over .. something that most long term weekend users will have to deal with it some point. My drug of choice was mdma amongst other things. What goes up must come down .. after 10 years of caning it at the weekend you have to be prepared that more than likely you have altered you brain chemistry to an extent. I have seen the scene destroy friends of mine .. physical health, mental health, criminal records, death .. just a general wasted youth and life by the majority of people I came across who had been on the scene for a long time. Genuinely wish I had never even touched one. Had some great times as well but in hindsight I would swap those memories in an instant if I could turn back the clock.
Playboy wrote: » lol .. Really I dont know why Im wasting my time. You want me me to prove that the majority of people cant use dependency inducing, addictive, mind altering, illegal narcotics safely? Take a trip to NA, AA, any rehab clinics, take a look around any deprived area to see what effects drugs inlcluding alcohol have on people and society. Speak to counsellors, psychologists, psychiatrists ... people who deal with the damage that substances have on people and their families. Speak to people who work in ER's and doctors .. speak to police who have to deal with people out of their head on crack, meth or whatver their drug of choice is. You are just a selfish kid who wants to get a buzz at the weekend but fails to see outside of your small insignificant life. You can waffle all you want .. preach to the choir and convince yourself .. it aint going to change the fact that the headshops are illegal and you are going to have to go back to scoring the old way lol!
DepecheHead101 wrote: » So your hard evidence to convince me that only a very, very small minority of people can use drugs safely is to visit all the places where the people who can't use drugs safely end up? I asked you for a proper argument. I didn't ask you to point out that sick people end up in ER's. That people who get caught end up in cells. That addicts end up in clinics. These things are obvious facts. It's akin to me trying to prove to you that 99% of the worlds population has a serious problem with saturated fats by telling you to go to a weight clinic. Or that Alcohol should be outlawed because prison cells, rehabilitation clinics, and ER's are filled with more alcohol induced cases than illegal drug induced cases. Whoops-a-daisy! I'm twenty two and it's been about a year since I dabbled with synthetic smoking blends. I would appreciate it if you didn't make patronising assumptions about either me or any of the millions of other responsible drug users who exist in the world.
Playboy wrote: » This is a pointless circular argument. I have the benefit of some experience both in my personal and work life that has made me draw the conclusions I have. I would say to you that my point if understood is self evident. What is a 'responsible' drug user? How do you define one .. what parameters do you set to define responsbile? Can you be responsible some weekends and not others? Can you have periods of months or years where you were an irresponsible user and then have periods of responsible use. Does everybodies definition of responsible use differ? I thought I was a relativley repsonsible user in so much as you can be. I mean any rational person knows that taking recreational chemicals isnt good for them but I wasnt shooting up or smoking crack .. i was just having a laugh with my friends every weekend. I believe I, in comparison to most people, can exercise quite a high degree of self control and discipline. The nature of the substances I was taking eroded that self control and discipline .. it changed my perception of what I was doing as a consequence of doing it. Thats the point .. most of the substances discussed affect everybody's decision making ability and their perception of themselves and what they are doing. Thats why they are called 'mind altering'! If you make these substances freely available in society to people in a regulated manner like alochol is then there will be absolute carnage .. of that I have no doubt. Thats my opinion .. You have yours. Im just glad most governments and most people agree with me and not you. Maybe you and people like you have all the answers to the drug issue and really do know whats best for society but the odds are that you dont.
Playboy wrote: » I mean any rational person knows that taking recreational chemicals isnt good for them
Playboy wrote: » Im just glad most governments and most people agree with me and not you.
IrishExaminer.com, Ireland By Mary Regan THE head of the country’s biggest drug centre is calling for the decriminalisation of the use of all drugs - including heroin. The director of the Merchant’s Quay Project, Tony Geoghegan, said that labelling addicts as criminals reduces their chances of rehabilitation and introduces them to crime circles. He said he did not want to see drugs legalised, but believed their misuse should no longer be dealt with under the criminal justice system. He said it should be treated as a health and social problem instead. Mr Geoghegan believes laws governing the use of all drugs here should be based on the British model of the decriminalisation of cannabis, which makes possession of the drug legal, but not production or supply. Mr Geoghegan, who helps hundreds of heroin users in the capital, said: “I think resources used for prosecuting cannabis users could be more effectively targeted.” Mr Geoghegan believes imprisoning drug users leads to a vicious circle. “Sending people to prison for12 months does not address the problem of why they were using drugs in the first place,” he said.
Andy-Pandy wrote: » I've been using recreational drugs since the 90's. I’m lucky as I have never let my use get out of control. I’m delighted that the head shops have been stopped from selling that sh1te. 24 hour access to that rubbish? How is that good? They sold crap drugs that were unreliable. I just hope someone has the sense to bring back some decent mdma/ecstasy. That the drug that should be legalised. After over 20 years of continues use I think it’s proven itself to be relatively harmless (as compared with booze).
rubadub wrote: » Thats debatable, I know many people who take threshold doses of various drugs, alcohol, cannabis, shrooms. Some have medicinal properties and can be used as stress relief relaxants, being overstressed is a serious problem but obviously hard to quantify. I know myself and others who suffer from auto-immune related diseases which cause flareups in times of high stress, and I have found these can help. The problem is hardcore users find it hard to fathom that people can enjoy low doses, it is odd since many can accept people have a glass or 2 of wine with dinner without the feeling the need to turn it into a full on blackout session.
rubadub wrote: » How do you know most people agree? real opinions are very much hidden due to the illegality of the substances, I know many people who would not dare smoke cannabis here but when in amsterdam they would, its an emperors new clothes situation. Medical experts fear of getting involved with studies on recreational drugs as it can be career suicide. Did you see the poll in this thread? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055908282 Also some people are for decriminalisationhttp://usmjparty.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_archive.html
Gigiwagga wrote: » You sound very bitter about your 'life' experience overall as in 'if only I did things that way instead of this way I would be happier, healthier and richer.' You know honestly most people of all walks of life could probably say the same thing. We all have regrets. The business man who has s***loads of money and huge business interests and huge successes, very often has a very poor relationship with his children, because of his work ethic, most would consider him a great success but he might consider himself a massive failure. On his death bed he wont utter hoarsly that he wished he spent more time in the office. Life is what we make it, enjoying your life is the most important thing. It's also very short. And until we get to that Death Bed scene we are ALL in a position to change it for the better. Money is mind altering, sex is mind altering, poverty is mind altering, illness is mind altering, your relationship with your mother is mind altering. Life is mind altering. Boards is mind altering.
Playboy wrote: » Whatever you might think .. prohibition keeps drug usage underground (just about) and that is a good thing imo. Legalize it and you will see a shift in our culture within one generation where all the young people are getting out of their heads with the same penetration that alcohol has. It would be an absolute nightmare. You just have to see the hugh increase in young people doing meow meow and drugs like it just because its legal. People who normally you would never see doing mdma or coke and who probably arent aware of the potential consequences that users of mdma, coke etc would be. All of a sudden its legal, cheap and available and everybody's doing it.
Shulgin wrote: » I think that the likes of you,me and all of the other recreational drug users should be out pushing hard for legalising mdma,cannabis,mushrooms,lsd and whatnot. Does it not worry you that you are being criminalised for something that causes no harm to anyone only possibly yourself? Raping someone repeatedly at gunpoint will get you less time in Jail That is really messed up! Surely a good proportion of people will stand up and openly voice their resentment of farcical hypocritical drug laws?
ScumLord wrote: » Sure you would, :rolleyes: So everyone that's not you is an idiot with no self control? There's no evidence that would happen, all evidence says when drugs are freely available from reputable sources usage goes down. People have jobs and interests that they want to fulfil, most drug users do not become addicts and do not lose control of their lives.
Andy-Pandy wrote: » Hash and excstacy are what should be available to people that want to use them. It'll never happen, but there my drugs of choice, and less of a threat than booze or the head shop sh!te.
Shulgin wrote: » My point was it certainly won`t happen until recreational drug users come out of the woodwork and openly voice their opinions. Just resigning to the fact it will never happen is just giving up..
oppenheimer1 wrote: » Drug users never think its themselves that are the problem, and fundamentally that is the problem.
Playboy wrote: » You seem to fail to grasp a simple point. If this country and other coutries already have massive issues with a legalized drug such as alcohol .. and then you introduce another drug(s) into the system and make them freely available it follows that the 'penetration' of the drug within the market will spread as it becomes accepted into the popular culture of a younger generation who grow up with it. Not everyone will have problems but you will see problems develop at the same level that currently exist with alcohol .. probably more so due to the lack of adjustment time the population has to the drug. And where have there been studies done about when hard drugs are freely available for everyone in society? I dont know of any! And please dont point me to some study done on weed in the Netherlands.
Andy-Pandy wrote: » Most of my peers no i like to dable, im not the worlds bigest drinker, but im not gonna shout it from the rooftops. Everybody knows i smoke hash (not weed), i hide it from no one and feel no shame in it at all. But im not gonna preach to anyone about what is right for them and what they should have to do. I'm not worried about ever being cought with hash, im a perfectly functioning member of society and i would never have more than a personal amount on me. I dont think there would be any hassle if i was ever cought by a guard, they have more important things to do.
Shulgin wrote: » ^^This is exactly why nothing will ever change and why the likes of Ahern and harney will stamp all over our rights forever more. A sorry state of affairs.
Andy-Pandy wrote: » I’m just a realist, and someone who just wants to get on with my own life. I know drugs are bad, ive seen them have a sh1t affect on many of my friends. Not everyone can handle it, and it messes up many lives. Just because I can deal with it, that doesn’t mean that everyone can. I could not with a clear conscience tell the world that drugs are ok. If you want too, great, I wouldn’t stop you. But im glad the head shops are gone; 24 hour access to strong drugs is just bad for society. I've seen it and lived it now, and it’s a fairly informed view that I have. Legalisation will never happen with the generation of politicians that we have , and with the type of person that chooses to go into politics it probably never will, and if im honest i dont think the majority of the population would want it either. It sucks that the money goes to gangsters rather than the country's cofferrs and it sucks even more that nice and generaly harmless people have to break the law to get high, but untill change is what the people want then its what it will always be like. Common sence does'nt come into it.
DepecheHead101 wrote: » I love when people, unbestknown to themselves, end up arguing for the other side. What a great excuse for legalisation. How is people wanting to get high a problem? You are going to have to be less ambiguous in your points. Are people wanting to get drunk at the weekend directly to blame for me getting the **** kicked out of me by four pissheads back in 2007? Of course not. Stupid people were. Speaking of arguing your point with hard facts, do you know for a fact that the majority of Irish people wanted these substances banned? Even without any media support and a piss poor promotional job, the anti prohibition marches this year had hundreds more marching in them than all the head shop protests combined.
ScumLord wrote: » You just don't know that, there's no evidence to support it. Your making an assumption that everyone will go crazy on drugs and the seventh level of hell will open up a shallow all the children. It's nonsense. I don't think the drugs are the problem, how we deal with those drugs is. The fact is drugs have been used all throughout human history, they've contributed to many of the human races greatest flights of fancy and ingenuity. Drugs were not as big a problem when they where legal as they are now under prohibition ever bit of evidence we have proves that. I don't accept your argument because I as a drug user haven't seen it happen even on a small scale. The illegal drugs like weed and mdma don't make people violent thugs, it's the exact opposite.And on the drug dealing scum and druggies, they tend to be exclusive to big cities I haven't seen them out here in the west bar from a certain group of people.
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