Ciaran500 wrote: » A quote without some sort of source is useless, also you spelt Barrosso wrong so I have a feeling you're paraphrasing.
theasylumkey wrote: » Minister for foreign affairs yesterday when asked who would be our next commisioner in europe...... "These decisions are things to be discussed in private, we will travel to brussels next week & see what president barosso wants"
Everything will eventually be subject to EU approval or to be conducted withing EU guidelines.......how can this not be an erosion of sovreignty.
theasylumkey wrote: » Both of you guys are proving my point.....we have more than enough intelligence in this country to suceed without out sourcing it & seeking approval from europe you have displayed this with the coherent intelligent proposals outlined in your posts above.........we should stay masters of our own destiny & hold the reigns here not let the EU hold the reigns.
akkadian wrote: » It's about accountability. If someone is not accountable, then they probably won't be credible. So, in a way it's about probability. If a market is probably over-inflated, you should probably saddle up and make a budget that reflects this. You should probably fight for tighter economic controls. Ireland's strength and weakness is that it's the most economically free country in europe. This is IMO a good thing mainly, but it also allows cowboy investors to make money by short-selling on the market. The flow of credit into and out of this country needs to be properly regulated without too much bureaucracy. From a global point of view, the problem with financial regulation in the global arena is the that it sees the international markets as a system controlled by people. This gets you nowhere. A system itself has to have inbuilt fail-safes and settings. You literally need to see the international financial market from an engineering point of view. It needs to be a system with: A cap on global market credit flow per day. Regardless of who is depositing and who is withdrawing. It is impossible to keep track of who is depositing and who is withdrawing, even if you remove dodgy financial products like the infamous sub-prime mortgages. The only way is to say there can be a maximum of 'x' amount of capital to and from the market on any day. If someone gets in and withdraws as many shares as they can, then they move to the back of the queue as soon as they reach 'x'. When the market opens the next day, a computer could randomly select the next trader. 'Playing' with the markets simply can't happen if you limit activity per day in this way. There should be algorithms for determining how large 'x' can possibly get according to market size to avoid over-inflation, and how small 'x' can get in times of recession or depression. The market itself should be a very cautious algorithm that can't ever get too quick nor to slow. Unfortunately, we seem to have a bunch of monkeys going ape at the controls..
Dr Kamikazi wrote: » OK, new idea. Put ads into national and international papers. "Wanted: Management team with expertise in a variety of fields, such as management of infrastructure, healthcare, finance, defense, (etc... you get the idea) Previous experience within Irish politics not desired, salary 100k and a full report each week on tasks completed." Surely a small country with a population of a medium sized city does not need thousands of administrators? Fire the current lot and put a crackteam of experts on the job. Since they're private (and non union!) if they fail to perform, you're fired, right next. If he/she doesn't perform, next, etc... The only problem is the amount of politicians and civil servants who no longer have a role, but there's a lot to be done, hospitals, roads, broadband, plenty of work building and laying cables, course there won't be a 200k salary with bonuses and fat pension it it. That should more than pay for it...
theasylumkey wrote: » I hear your voice & genuinley sympathise with your anger & frustration & agree with you on every single thing you said exept two things, 1. I dont beleive they are Thick at all but rather very aware of what they do but dont give a sh.it about the people of this country. They are guilty of crimes against the irish people because of what you touched on their cronism looking after all their elitist friends in positions of wealth. 2. Your advocation to have our domestic affairs controlled by europe simply because our otherwise intelligent electorate return a rotten to the core body of criminals to power. The answer to our problems is not to look for foreign political solution as you will find that the corruption that has damned our country is running rampant through all capatalist western democracys. The answer to our problems as has always been is from within our country. YOU & ME are the ones that can change this rotten system here without allowing in even more corruption from abroad. You can see how we are being screwed which is evident from your post & i understand how you are in turn then looking for an alternative to status quo that has damned our country but the answer is Irish men & Irish women standing up for Ireland here at home & us controlling our destiny.
Dr Kamikazi wrote: » Considering that the Irish government is run by a bunch of thick cnuts who do nothing but send fat jobs the way of their friends and cronies, but not before wasting millions on useless reports compiled by idiots that don't get read, much less acted on, I would consider it a blessing that any tiny bit of control is taken away from these wasters, idiots and criminals. It never ceases to amaze me that the Irish, who are a very smart and able bunch otherwise, seem to prefer politicians that look like the came straight from milking the cows. Or are nothing but double dealing, corrupt sleaze-bags who only have one thing at heart: themselves. Why else the roads, hospitals, public transport, tunnels that are too low, sports stadiums for 80000 people with no parking, estates that where built with no provision for schools, hospitals, water, waste water facilities, sports grounds, roads, etc... I could rant for days here. In short, thick cnuts, cronies, idiots, sleazebags, monkeysh*t for brains, criminals, money and vote grabbing piles of excrement! Go Europe, get some expertise and people who actually can run a country!
meglome wrote: » Yup that damn recession and incompetent government that the Lisbon treaty brought in... oh wait... As I keep saying to you the Yes vote will help, nothing more, nothing less. It doesn't make the recession suddenly go away and it doesn't make our government take the correct hard decisions.
drunken_munky52 wrote: » O'Brian's sandwich bars gone into liquidation... 600 odd jobs to go... GE Money in Shannon... 70 jobs to go Techoman... jobs to go Yes to job cuts, thats the name of the game! Who paid off these crowds off to keep their mouths shut until after the referendum? The funniest sign I saw over the campaign was the Labour yes sign with the graduation hat and the yellow builder's hat... just imagined a lovely stuffed breakfast roll next to it... EMM YUM THE GOOD OLD DAYS. Yes to: BREAKFAST ROLLS
theasylumkey wrote: » 770 jobs to go in aer lingus...... But hang on a minute we voted YES? Ah everything will be grand so dont worry about it the EU will bail out aer lingus (not):D
Run_to_da_hills wrote: » Back to your conspiracy'sthe facts
Lisbon, in amending article 48 of the Treaty on European Union, does expand the number of ways in which the European treaties can be amended from one to four. But, contrary to the view widely asserted by No campaigners, each preserves the right of member states, and individual national parliaments, to veto change. [...] In Ireland’s case that may involve a referendum if the change is more than what the courts define as “necessitated by membership” or within the essential scope and objectives of the union. In the Crotty case the Supreme Court distinguished between changes adding new “competences” – new areas in which the EU can act – for which a referendum is required, and changes to procedures within competences, such as voting rules, where a Dáil vote is sufficient to ratify a change. That allows Ireland, for example, to ratify the accession of new member states without referendums.
drunken_munky52 wrote: » Vote Yes to "Jobs" (losses)http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1007/condron.html Eire Saor 1922 - 2009 R.I.P.
fergusman wrote: » Hey Drinken munky you do realise that your sig is totally inaccurate? Saorstat Eireann (Irish Free State) ended in 1948 when we declared a Republic. Youre 60 years too late.
I was fishing for you fergusman and you know what... you are an easy catch! Putting little bait like that in, its easy to make you surface from time to time. When it comes to the big issues, you simply ignore my quotes to your post for a few days until the posts and quotes are far back enough for people to forget about what was said. I eagerly await your next post in a few days time when todays little episode is a distant memory... talk to you then!
drunken_munky52 wrote: » Saorstát Éireann 1922 - 2009 R.I.P.
meglome wrote: » Oh I certainly did read the amendment and the treaty, which I can only assume you failed to do. The simple fact is anything we needed a referendum on before the Lisbon treaty we'd need one after, there is no question about this. They have simplified the method for making small changes, as long as the changes are the ones specifically agreed and they don't give the EU any new powers. And even those changes need a unanimous agreement between the EU states, including Ireland.
Teadrinker wrote: » This is awfully tempting...
Originally Posted by theasylumkey .... And bush most likley couldnt spell blackmail never mind undertake it.
theasylumkey wrote: » .... And bush most likley couldnt spell blackmail never mind undertake it.
meglome wrote: » Oh I certainly did read the amendment and the treaty, which I can only assume you failed to do. The simple fact is anything we needed a referendum on before the Lisbon treaty we'd need one after, there is no question about this. They have simplified the method for making small changes, as long as the changes are the ones specifically agreed and they don't give the EU any new powers. And even those changes need a unanimous agreement between the EU states, including Ireland. You could look up Article 48 of the Lisbon treaty that specifies that changes must be made through the constitutional requirements of the member state, i.e. through a referendum in Ireland. You do know how representative democracy works right? You do know how representative democracy works right? I suppose, and it's just a suggestion, you could vote in different politicians at the next election. Representative democracy an' all that. I can't see from his posts what his views are exactly, although he does seem to understand representative democracy and reality. It's almost like we vote them in every five years or something to make certain decisions on our behalf. I don't think he understands how representative democracy works. Not that what he's saying is correct anyway.
drunken_munky52 wrote: » The simple fact that the Lisbon Treaty is self amending. That means any agreements made in the future by the EU are ratified immediately. Did you fail to read the ammendment now put into the Irish Constitution? That was what the referendum was about, not the treaty, it was about changing kernel of our legel system. Our constitution now explicity states our un-questioned faith to the EU in decision making process. We the people can shout all we like and no body in Europe will give a damm, becuase our own set of rules state that we must trust and accept their decisions without protest in the future.
theasylumkey wrote: » Ah come on now......sure in that case why should we have had a referendum!
theasylumkey wrote: » Based on your logic because Fianna Fail are elected we should just trust them to make all our desicions for us!!!
theasylumkey wrote: » To advocate a move away from consulting the people on any given changes to our political institutions & to allow the politicians to basically decide what is the best way to change & run without any input from the people is like self regulation......
theasylumkey wrote: » History has shown that politicians that do not have to answer or take stock of the populations opinion do not operate in the interests of the people what so ever.
theasylumkey wrote: » You may not even realise your self but your views are extremley right wing!
theasylumkey wrote: » Trust the politicians to regulate themselves!!!!!!!!!!! Not a chance.
Malty_T wrote: » . Ok, let's assume for a second that the treaty is self amending. Who makes the amendments? The politicians, elected by the people of Europe. Please explain to be how that still isn't democracy.
drunken_munky52 wrote: » The simple fact that the Lisbon Treaty is self amending. That means any agreements made in the future by the EU are ratified immediately. Did you fail to read the ammendment now put into the Irish Constitution? That was what the referendum was about, not the treaty, it was about changing kernel of our legel system. Our constitution now explicity states our un-questioned faith to the EU in decision making process. We the people can shout all we like and no body in Europe will give a damm, becuase our own set of rules state that we must trust and accept their decisions without protest in the future. Democracy my arse. Saorstát Éireann 1922 - 2009 R.I.P.
meglome wrote: » And the really weird thing is the German constitutional court found there was nothing in the Lisbon treaty that created a federal state, absolutely nothing. But what would highly qualified legal experts know eh. If some mystery person says the opposite on a conspiracy theory's site then it must be true. Rtdh you need to get out more.
Run_to_da_hills wrote: » The same Ton Blair that has turned the UK into a police State since the 9/11 7/11 false flag hoaxes. No doubt he will continue his agenda once he takes up office as EU President.
Run_to_da_hills wrote: » RFID technology that used is wide open to hacking and abuse just like any previous method used. Eventually for convenience the authorities will have all eggs in one basket, IE one smart card for all, PPS, driving license, medical records, possibly transit card and even replacing the old "book" type passport. National ID, Someone with a the scanner will have a field day, or worse still some pen drive or laptop gets stolen from a state office with much of this information, all too common theses days. Now having the "United states of Europe" the rishs of such happening is even greater. :eek:
Dr Kamikazi wrote: » High tech surveillance, passports that can't be forged, exchange of information between the police forces of all the countries of the EU, the ability to access data, etc... THANK GOD for that, maybe now at last something can be done about drug trafficking, human trafficking, organized crime and, yes, terrorism. This data will be used in case you are under suspicion for any of these activities. I do feel safer with all this backup to protect decent citizens. Also, if you really think that inspectors will be sitting there and having a w*nk over your private data...really. There's hundreds of millions of people in Europe. In 99% of cases your data will never be viewed by anyone.
