Nazi Statue !?!?

11-07-2009 8:20pm #1

Why do we have a statue to this dude?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0709/1224250318117.html

A MEMORIAL statue of republican leader Seán Russell, which was erected in Fairview Park Dublin just over a week ago, has been defaced by graffiti proclaiming him to have been a nazi.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6591795.ece

ONE of the most vandalised statues in Ireland has just become one of the most untouchable; it has been fitted with sensor alarms and a tracking device in its head.

The memorial of Sean Russell, the former IRA chief of staff, in Dublin’s Fairview Park has been attacked several times, mainly because of his ties to Nazi Germany.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/eichmann-would-get-a-statue-if-hed-had-an-irish-grandmother-1815598.html

what is the prevailing aesthetic which can rule that the destroyers of Nelson's Pillar in Dublin may permanently affect the streetscape of the capital, but that a statue to a Nazi fellow traveller should be restored?

Overheal · 11-07-2009 8:26pm

so if you approach it, it shoots laser beams out of its eyes?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 11-07-2009 8:27pm

What was that adage - the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
So if the Brits were the enemy, then, during WW2 the nazis would have been our friends...

truecrippler · 11-07-2009 8:28pm

Overheal wrote: »

so if you approach it, it shoots laser beams out of its eyes?

Pfft don't be silly, we all know that sharks are the only things with that sort of capability.

11-07-2009 8:32pm

It goes Night At The Museum on you. A scale version of the Luftwaffe attack you .

Overheal · 11-07-2009 8:36pm

truecrippler wrote: »

Pfft don't be silly, we all know that sharks are the only things with that sort of capability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCLAduDXPpQ

dlofnep · 11-07-2009 8:40pm

I'm neither here nor there on Seán Russell - But he went to germany to secure arms, not to assist Nazi Germany. His choice to secure them from Nazi Germany is questionable, but it certainly doesn't mean that he agreed with their views.

I would hazard a guess that his statue is there because of the tremedous work he put into securing Irish sovereignty, with his participation in the Easter Rising rather than getting his hands dirty by going to Nazi Germany to secure arms. It should be noted that he also went to Russia to secure arms. He certainly didn't hold Nazi views.

It's always nice to put things in context.

starn · 11-07-2009 8:42pm

The statue should not of been replaced Sean Russell after it was vandalised. Russell was a nazi callaborator and does not deserve any sort of commemoration

empirix · 11-07-2009 8:47pm

dlofnep wrote: »

I'm neither here nor there on Seán Russell - But he went to germany to secure arms, not to assist Nazi Germany. His choice to secure them from Nazi Germany is questionable, but it certainly doesn't mean that he agreed with their views.

I would hazard a guess that his statue is there because of the tremedous work he put into securing Irish sovereignty, with his participation in the Easter Rising rather than getting his hands dirty by going to Nazi Germany to secure arms. It should be noted that he also went to Russia to secure arms. He certainly didn't hold Nazi views.

It's always nice to put things in context.

Agreed - you will find that many countries in the world erect statues of men and women who played an integeral role in the freedom of their country - respect them, there aint to many of them about these days, we 've replaced them with money grabbers

Sean Russell was over securing arms from what was probably the only country in europe willing to give them to the republican movement at that time, he done whateverhad to be done, whether he had a clear conscience or not is another thing but i dont think he would of had too much of a problem with the nazis bombing Britain, it probably helped the IRA operate, sorry but the man deserves to be honoured!

dlofnep · 11-07-2009 8:49pm

I don't have an issue with the dicussion around Seán Russell's involvement with Nazi Germany, but I think it should done so in context.

Do people believe he wanted to murder millions of jews, or do people believe he was just getting his hands dirty to secure arms to fight against the British?

Nordie Loyalist · 11-07-2009 8:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Why do we have a statue to this dude?

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0709/1224250318117.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6591795.ece

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/kevin-myers/eichmann-would-get-a-statue-if-hed-had-an-irish-grandmother-1815598.html

Ignorance is no excuse. He was what he was back in the time that he lived.

I could post a lot of links concerning the US of A and activities in many countries that would make you vomit your quotes out of your eyeballs.

NickNolte · 11-07-2009 8:54pm

The Nazis were a bunch of scumbags. The Brits were a bunch of scumbags. The Irish were... oppressed opportunists.

PK2008 · 11-07-2009 8:55pm

Who cares

Hagar · 11-07-2009 9:01pm

Irish Army helmet.

Pic 1

Pic 2

Dr Strange · 11-07-2009 9:03pm

Hagar wrote: »

Irish Army helmet.

Pic 1

Pic 2

Links don't work for me? Are you refering to the Vickers helmet which is a German M16 style WWI helmet? Nice helmet.

Link to some helmets: http://www.gostak.demon.co.uk/helmets/ireland.htm

Hagar · 11-07-2009 9:12pm

Preusse wrote: »

Links don't work for me? Are you refering to the Vickers helmet which is a German M16 style WWI helmet? Nice helmet.

Link to some helmets: http://www.gostak.demon.co.uk/helmets/ireland.htm

Precisely. I knew I couldn't slip them past you.

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/utah/894/image016.jpg

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/utah/894/image017.jpg

There's the full links.

Dr Strange · 11-07-2009 9:16pm

Hagar wrote: »

Precisely. I knew I couldn't slip them past you.

...by the way, if anyone has some nice Irish Vickers helmets...I am buying!....
>_>
<_<

EDIT: Sorry hagar, still can't see the pics

Adamcp898 · 11-07-2009 9:21pm

and sure DeV guaranteed our support to Hitler too if he got as far as us

Hagar · 11-07-2009 9:21pm

Copy and paste the text of the link into the address bar and see how it goes.

Hackman · 11-07-2009 9:24pm

Preusse wrote: »

...by the way, if anyone has some nice Irish Vickers helmets...I am buying!....
>_>
<_<

EDIT: Sorry hagar, still can't see the pics

I had one for ages. It was a PA one. It had a red band painted on it. It was stolen on me in a break-in at the house :mad:.

Dr Strange · 11-07-2009 9:26pm

Hackman wrote: »

I had one for ages. It was a PA one. It had a red band painted on it. It was stolen on me in a break-in at the house :mad:.

Damn bastards. I had a break-in a couple of years ago. Most of the stuff was returned after some, uhm, persuasion though. Hate criminals. :mad:

Hagar wrote: »

Copy and paste the text of the link into the address bar and see how it goes.

Yep, that works. Nice, it has the badge on it.

Euro_Kraut · 11-07-2009 9:33pm

Adamcp898 wrote: »

and sure DeV guaranteed our support to Hitler too if he got as far as us

Really??? You have evidence for this?

Adamcp898 · 11-07-2009 9:45pm

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Really??? You have evidence for this?

I thought it was common knowledge tbh, he even paid a visit to the German minister to Ireland at the time to express his condolances upon hearing of Hitler's death

mike65 · 11-07-2009 9:54pm

DeValera was many unpleasent things but he did not suggest that! As for his condolences to Germany on the death of their leader I guess he was taking protocol to its logical conclusion!

An Fear Aniar · 11-07-2009 9:55pm

"The Irish Government, therefore, was on its guard against action from either side. De Valera declared that Ireland would defend herself against any attack. If it came from Germany, he would appeal for British help. If it was from Britain, he would call upon Germany."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2242/is_1658_284/ai_114594460/

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mike65 · 11-07-2009 9:59pm

When the invasion of Britain was planned, it seems Hitler regarded the British Isles as one entity.

Bloody West Brit!

dlofnep · 11-07-2009 10:04pm

Hitler did attack Ireland BTW. He bombed the utter ****e out of Belfast. And bombed Dublin thereafter "by mistake". Although, it's been hypothesized that it was done in retaliation for the south offering aid to the north.

Micky Dolenz · 11-07-2009 10:04pm

Preusse wrote: »

...by the way, if anyone has some nice Irish Vickers helmets...I am buying!....
>_>
<_<

I have a nice Irish helmet, wanna look?

Capt'n Midnight · 11-07-2009 10:05pm

truecrippler wrote: »

Pfft don't be silly, we all know that sharks are the only things with that sort of capability.

I beg to differ
http://www.snakesonablog.com/swp/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/whales-1.jpg

Dr Strange · 11-07-2009 10:05pm

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

I have a nice Irish helmet, wanna look?

I can't help but think this is not exactly what I am looking for...but....go on then.

Victor · 11-07-2009 11:37pm

mike65 wrote: »

As for his condolences to Germany on the death of their leader I guess he was taking protocol to its logical conclusion!

And there was an election coming up, so saying "screw you" to the British was "cool".

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