dlofnep wrote: » Are you telling me that they can't hire independant contractors to perform testing/drilling? Such a person does not exist? How do you think other small countries accomplish such a task? The nordic countries have a very prosperous economy, largely due to the wealth accumulated from national resources such as oil.
dlofnep wrote: » Look - there are various reasons for protesting. Some are protesting based on the issues of safety - I'm not a gasline expert, so I'm about as educated as yourself on how safe it is. So I've no comment on it. If it is unsafe, then they have merit behind their protesting. My gripe would personally be with selling off national resources to foreign companies - which could be better used for a sustained source of wealth in our country. Especially in times like this. Think nordic countries are talking about recession every 24 minutes?
starn wrote: » It costs a compant like Shell somewhere in the region of 100 million to asses a site. That is all spent before any drilling starts, and there is no gaurente off finding anything. How much do you think it would cost a goverment that spent 52 million on electronic voting machines
dubsgirl wrote: » However I then went on to talk about my original points, which was in particular this ongoing feud between Shell and the protestors against the pipeline... (ie what the programme was based on)
dlofnep wrote: » And you think Shell is willing to spend 100 million for the craic of it, because there is no potential? With risk comes reward. The possibilities for state controlled oil appears to be high - and the benefit it would have for our economy would be huge - opposed to providing jobs to those local to the field. It's a national issue - not a local issue. So when people say "Oh but, think of all the jobs that will be created" are not looking at the bigger picture. All countries who have oil fields didn't get it easily. It doesn't mean that you sell it off to the highest bidder because it's a big task.
mal1 wrote: » Yes, and they had the time to do it (no looming energy crisis). We don't and also we don't have the wealth of oil that Norway has.
mal1 wrote: » No, there isn't some small time contractor or project manager who will take this type of work on . I don't know if you realise the scale of projects such as this.
dlofnep wrote: » "Professional protesters". They get paid now to protest, do they?
mal1 wrote: » But no company (with the appropriate expertise) will tap into a gas field that's going to be state controlled. It's as simple as that.
Blush_01 wrote: » They sure do! We pay their dole, they protest. It's a lose-lose situation as far as I can see.
dlofnep wrote: » Since I haven't seen the programme - perhaps you could tell me? Was it based around the safety issue?
dlofnep wrote: » And you think Shell is willing to spend 100 million for the craic of it, because there is no potential? With risk comes reward. The possibilities for state controlled oil appears to be high - and the benefit it would have for our economy would be huge - opposed to providing jobs to those local to the field.
dubsgirl wrote: » This programme was basically a look at the ongoing dispute between Shell and protestors over the Corrib gas field in Mayo... There was not one of these protestors on this programme complaining about the fact that this was not a national project. They were protesting about running a gas pipeline through a beautiful area and putting peoples lives at risk, in their opinions. On the flipside of this there were interviews with many local people who were all for the project as it has brought about local employment. Thats it in a nutshell...
dlofnep wrote: » Hey - Maybe I'm just overly naive on the issue..... I'm merely a dreamer who has silly ideas like
starn wrote: » Ok so the govermnet starts looking at basins looking for oil. Suppose they exaime five basins. No of them provide to be viable. Thats the state out over half a billion. Will you be sticking to your guns saying yes we should be looking at more sites or will you be standing outside Crumlin Childrens Hospital saying look how they are wasting out money. When we can see the rights to a external oil company and let them take on all the risk
dlofnep wrote: » So they are all on the dole now, is it? That's a lovely assumption.
Blush_01 wrote: » The professional protesters? The ones who consider it their vocation to spend all their time protesting something and Corrib gas just happened to come along when they had a lull? Yeah, it's a lovely, and pretty spot on assumption.
Blush_01 wrote: » I was in UCD when the SU funded a bus for the crusties to go to protest - please don't tell me they gave a flying fcuk about the people of Mayo, the fact that the oil reserves were being sold to Shell or the loss of an Irish oil industry.
Blush_01 wrote: » The whole Irish oil industry idea, in the hands of the Irish government, is a genuine joke, right?
mal1 wrote: » It's the government's fault, in that we can't possibly do this project alone. They would if we could. We need help from other countries to design and build a project on this scale. It's too late to make this project 'uniquely Irish'. We simply need the gas now and can't wait another 20 years to build up an industry and the expertise to do it alone. It's as simple as that. That's why we are getting f*cked. The same will happen when we move to nuclear. Can you see a nuclear engineer/science course in Ireland? Nope. So we will have to get the French in when that comes around, and it will cost us big time!
Dudess wrote: » Only three of them? Also, TV documentaries can be framed to suit a particular agenda. I'd prefer to be objective and consider both sides.
starn wrote: » Wow €400 Billion where exactly did you get that figure from. Why not €700 Billion or €1000 billion. If your going to make something up a figure why npot make it as big as you can.
Why Ireland stands to lose €400 billion in natural gas and oil deposits The two most well known Irish hydrocarbon deposits, the Corrib field and the Dunquin prospect, are collectively worth at least €400 billion euros. They contain around 33 trillion cubic feet of gas and between 2.5 and 4 billion barrels of oil. The gas in the Corrib belongs to Shell, Statoil and Marathon while the Dunquin prospect is totally controlled by Exxon Mobil and Providence. Ordinary Irish workers will end up buying back our oil and gas while the companies will be charged pitiful tax rates against which they can write off all exploration and construction costs over the past twenty-five years. How did this happen?
dlofnep wrote: » There will always be losses when it comes to investing in issues like resources such as oil. Crumlins hospital has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand. But if there was a find - then Crumlin's and many other hospitals (including my own local) would have more than enough to fund them.
dlofnep wrote: » Shell obviously see potential that you apparently don't.
jape wrote: » http://www.wsm.ie/story/2187http://www.indymedia.ie/article/81708 *Pats starn on head*, run along now.
starn wrote: » A valuation of €400 Bn is completelt ridculous, is grossly inaccurate and appears nowhere else but Indymedia The Sunday Tribune gave a value of 13Bn almost 12 months agohttp://www.tribune.ie/article/2008/jun/22/value-of-shell-corrib-field-surges-to-13bn/ and The Western People sites a value of only €9 Bn eight months ago.http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/story/?trs=eycwkfmhau Or maybe there in on it aswell ???
Energy Independence: At What Cost? Ireland relies on the UK for 85 percent of its gas needs. In 1996 the Corrib gas field was discovered, 50 miles off the coast of the Mullet Peninsula in Mayo County and 3,000 meters below the seabed. Shell Oil, in partnership with the Irish government, Statoil Exploration and Marathon International Petroleum, planned to develop the gas field and supply 60 percent of Ireland’s natural gas demand. The Corrib and surrounding gas fields could earn profits for Shell and its partners in excess of US$60 billion. However, the community of Rossport would receive no royalties and have to pay full market price for the gas. To attract future development, the Irish government turned over all rights for the Corrib gas fields to Shell and its partners, with no tax dollars going to the state.
professore wrote: » Sometimes one side is right and the other side is wrong. This is such a case, the Shell 2 Sea people are clearly a lunatic fringe bent on finishing off our country.
dlofnep wrote: » No I didn't see it. Does TV3 archive it's programs online like RTE?
