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BaconZombie

Anybody tried out Windows 7 yet?
Is it better or worse {if possible} then vista?

We upgrading all the DC's in work to 2K8 so I'll need to use vista or 7 to administrate then, and that the only reason I'm installing it {only in a VM at that}.

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watty

SCD wrote: »

I have it but haven't installed it yet. There's no XP -> 7 upgrade option as of yet. It's suppose to run like XP but look like Vista. I say Ubuntu all the way :P

They lie. It does not look like Vista nor does it run like XP. There is no doubt it's better than Vista

Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian all getting a bit bloated. But the last few installs I did the WiFi with WPA worked right off and non-Geeks are using it

Dartz

It's Gnome/KDE that are getting bloated...

I have a Xubuntu install that works quite comfortably with no modifications on a Pentium III with about 192Mb RAM. I have a similar install including both KDE and Ubuntu services that'll consume double that on idle.

But when the average PC has at least a Gig, and very few people have less than 512Mb. I havent seen a computer sold with less than 512 for at least 4-5 years.

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It's interesting though. I've heard of 7 running with 512, probably the same way XP runs with 256.

Naikon

watty wrote: »

Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian all getting a bit bloated.

Not with minimal installs.

I did a minimal install of debian lenny the other day, and the default installation(server install) was using a whopping 15mb of ram with no Xserver. Not bad considering
my machine has 3gb of ram and no swap partition.

Of course, I am using X11 with the closed source nvidia drivers and wmii.
Very efficient, much more so than XP or Vista:pac:

An Fear Aniar

Naikon wrote: »

Not with minimal installs.

I did a minimal install of debian lenny the other day, and the default installation(server install) was using a whopping 15mb of ram with no Xserver. Not bad considering

That's a niche though. We're talking about full desktop installs that earthlings would want to use.

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Naikon

An Fear Aniar wrote: »

That's a niche though. We're talking about full desktop installs that earthlings would want to use.

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Fair point.

People should try out the lightweight desktop enviroments like
LXDE if they want a more resource efficient setup.

At least Linux lets you choose.
From dwm with around 2000 lines of C code, all the way up to Gnome/KDE which are quite pretty. Choice is good:)

KDE + windows 7 ftw!

[Deleted User]

Has anybody had any problems installing ATI's Catalyst Control Center on 64-bit Windows 7? It installs ok for me, but then as soon as it's launched I get a BSOD. Is there a Windows 7 specific program for it? Because I tried to use the 64-bit Vista version (I have the correct driver installed).

Also, I can't get a 64-bit firewall to install. Lavasoft Personal Firewall and Outpost Pro 64-bit both give me a BSOD.

Anybody have any similar problems?

watty

use a router. They all have better firewalls. SW firewalls on Windows are like swiss cheese.

[Deleted User]

watty wrote: »

use a router. They all have better firewalls. SW firewalls on Windows are like swiss cheese.

I was just thinking about this when I read the post you quoted. Is there really a need for a software firewall with a NAT router? I never use one as I feel they bog down the system too much.

Capt'n Midnight

Karsini wrote: »

I was just thinking about this when I read the post you quoted. Is there really a need for a software firewall with a NAT router? I never use one as I feel they bog down the system too much.

antivirus will slow the system down a lot

software firewall should alert you to stuff trying to phone home

a well written firewall shouldn't be noticable speedwise

a firewall won't generally help with drive by downloads on dodgy sites without a browser add on

Rattlehead_ie

Not that I am encouraging downloading this but Build 7057 has been leaked on some torrent sites and is expected to be the last or penultimate release before RC 1 is released on April 10th.

Info on Release 7057 leaked

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List of Changes[/URL]

cpu-dude

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Did anyone have any problems installing the x64 bit version. Mine would copy the files fine but when it was extracting the files it would crap out after about 30% and gave some error. I can't remember the message but it said something about "missing files and restart the setup with the files included". The 32bit install went fine though.

That error only comes up because there is not enough room on the partition for the temporary files. You need a least 7GB free in order to install it.

AlmightyCushion

cpu-dude wrote: »

That error only comes up because there is not enough room on the partition for the temporary files. You need a least 7GB free in order to install it.

I don't think that was the problem seeing as I was installing it on a 750GB hard drive.

NullZer0

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Anybody tried out Windows 7 yet?
Is it better or worse {if possible} then vista?

We upgrading all the DC's in work to 2K8 so I'll need to use vista or 7 to administrate then, and that the only reason I'm installing it {only in a VM at that}.

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Interesting post and thread.
But WHY do you need Windows 7 to administer 2K8?

Jonathan

iRock wrote: »

Interesting post and thread.
But WHY do you need Windows 7 to administer 2K8?

New security measures for rdp were introduced in vista.

gary82

My Windows7 has started stall on the startup screen for about 40seconds... then continues are usual, this happening anyone else?

JohnK

I've not had it stall but a (non-MS) application that had been working perfectly for a few weeks has in the last 2 days started to crash after a few minutes which is a bit weird as I cant remember installing any updates.

stevenmu

jmccrohan wrote: »

New security measures for rdp were introduced in vista.

For people who aren't aware, by default Windows Server 2008 will only accept "Secure" RDP connections (which requires Vista/Win7). It can be set to allow normal RDP connections in which case XP can still be used.

[Deleted User]

A new RDP client was bundled with XP SP3, would this not work with Server 2008?

Stephen

He may be talking about the administrative tools for 2008. MS only support them on Vista, and I assume 7 when it is released.

RectalWareZ

Working fine for me at the moment. Only thing is when i take it out of standby mode/ or leave it overnight it has problems reconising my usb keyboard. Also recently begining to notice that the web is loosing its connection. Generally a reboot resolves this issue. However have been using Ubunto before i switched to win7 and it had zero issues. Main reason for switching is that it can play games, Also win7 reminds me of Linux with the word Microsoft stamped all over it.

Dartz

Here's an odd one.

Have an Optional update downloaded, Driver update from Nvidia. downloads fine, but when it goes to install, it fails and I get an error code.

Code: 80070006

Googling this, the suggestion was to disable anti-virus and real time protection, in case one of them was interfering with it, but no dice. I still get the same error.

It's really quite perplexing

cpu-dude

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I don't think that was the problem seeing as I was installing it on a 750GB hard drive.

I'm referring to the target partition, I ran into this problem 3 times installing 7.

Using Vista commands to change the temporary directory works a charm:

[/installfrom:path] [/tempdrive:drive_letter] ( e.g setup.exe /installfrom:C: /tempdrive:E: )

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc766446.aspx

Naikon

Tried it. Didn't like it because of all the superfluous junk.
Back to *NIX land so:pac:

NullZer0

stevenmu wrote: »

For people who aren't aware, by default Windows Server 2008 will only accept "Secure" RDP connections (which requires Vista/Win7). It can be set to allow normal RDP connections in which case XP can still be used.

Yep - I would use a known... well I don't know if you can call it completely stable. But... I would use Vista.

Each to their own though.

quarryman

Spotted this thread and thought I'd give Windows 7 a try.

How stable is it?

Will there be many changes between Beta and the final product?

Is the driver support decent?

I use Vista at the moment and love it, everything works! But I'm reading Windows 7 is even quicker and less bloated?

Sherifu

quarryman wrote: »

How stable is it?

Haven't used it extensively but it has been solid when I used it.

quarryman wrote: »

Will there be many changes between Beta and the final product?

Probably mostly cosmetic.

quarryman wrote: »

Is the driver support decent?

Same as on Vista.

cpu-dude

Sherifu wrote: »

Same as on Vista.

It's better.

Sherifu

cpu-dude wrote: »

It's better.

Perhaps you mean it supports more devices.

I was talking about the driver model which stays the same. (i.e. hardware drivers written for Vista will work with 7)

cpu-dude

Sherifu wrote: »

Perhaps you mean it supports more devices.

I was talking about the driver model which stays the same. (i.e. hardware drivers written for Vista will work with 7)

Oh yeah, sure it's technically SP3 for Vista (or the way Vista should have been in the first place).

The only thing that didn't work on my NC10 when I installed it was the Ethernet.

watty

But still not as good as NT3.51, NT4.0, XP (AKA NT5.1), OSX, Ubuntu, Linpus, Solaris, Fedora/Redhat/CentOS.

Windows7 is better than Vista Original. But technically is really NT 6.2, a minor increment of Vista.

Satisfied OSX/XP/Ubuntu users may be better waiting to see what Windows NT7.0 is like (They'll have to call it Windows 8)