diverdriver wrote: » Are you broke? Have you lost your job or taking a pay cut? Yes/No? If not what is your problem. What changed? I personally am sick of people in safe jobs talking about tightening their belts. People on 70k worrying shopping in Aldi all of a sudden. For many, many people nothing has changed at all, the public service, the Garda, the army, etc etc. Yet they act as if they were suddenly short of money. People with six figure, taxpayer guaranteed sums and in the bank and second houses, putting on the poor mouth because they decided not to change the Merc this year because of the 'economic' situation. Right now people who have money are not spending it. The result of that is many other are going out of business and people are being laid off. It's a vicious circle. Well they'll get their comeuppance eventually because the government will up taxes to get the money anyway so they can pay the public service bill. If you genuinely are in trouble and short of money, with a bank overdraft and unpaid bills then by all means go on about tightening belts. If not shut up and be grateful nothing has changed for you.
veryangryman wrote: » :rolleyes: And please don't get me started on how many bullets i want to put into you for using text speak in what has otherwise been an intelligent thread thusfar on both sides of the argument .
Mark200 wrote: » If you are confident that your job/pay is secure, then saving because we're in a recession is ridiculous.
If you don't have enough money or you're worried about losing your job, then by all means save. But if you aren't in either of those categories, then you should be spending as much as you can.
BnA wrote: » One other thing about the public sector. 5 years ago when the country was awash with money, most people in the public sector would have been making more money if they left it and went private. But they made a choice to stay in it for whatever reason they wanted. But I would suspect that one of the main reasons someone would stay in the public sector is for job security. Now that people in the private sector are in trouble, it seems some of them feel they have some kind of a right to turn on the nurses and the guards etc. Nobody gave a shoite about them when blocklayers were makin a pound a block. Why this sudden interest now ? Personally, I often thought about becoming a teacher. But I decided not to because the money is crap. That is a choice I made. I could have gone down the route of middle of the road money with job security for life and good holidays. But, instead I started my own business and took a few risks to try and make some money. Wheather that works out or not, I don't think I have a right to moan about people who left college at the same time as me and went teaching instead.
Kaptain Redeye wrote: » The reasoning is quite simple. Your memory seems very short, when there was mega money being made in the private sector the public sector demanded the same. In 2001 the public sector demanded benchmarking, the biggest indusrtial action people might remember was the teachers work to rule wich lasted most of the year. In 2002 the benchmarking report concluded that the Public Sector was lagging far behind the private sector and pay increases were begun, in the 2008 benchmarking report the conclusion was that Public Sector had caught up with the private secort. Now the private sector is seeing pay freezes and pay cuts, and under the principal of benchmarking its only right that the public sector should feel it too. It works both ways. Also when making the comparisons, the value of a job security in a recession is higher than in a boom.
Blisterman wrote: » Because we pay their wages.
livvy wrote: » This tread has gotten ridiculous !! A public v private sector bashing.
veryangryman wrote: » True - plenty of other threads for all this P vs P nonsense.
ejmaztec wrote: » I saw a guy last week climbing into his 09 registered Audi. "look at that cunt, somebody's got some feckin money"", some old boy said. Audi-man looked like he was ashamed when he saw the natives staring at him. I'm sure that if the he hadn't driven off the locals would have lynched him.
Brady Flaky Whirlwind wrote: » Oh no, another one... bashing the public sector again... Jealousy is rampant, really rampant here. People are used to me saying I am broke. I think when I was about 18 or 19 I was rich, taking home up to 600 PUNTS a week on my summer holidays Them were the days It will be years before I make anything like that again... Well people on 70K a year shouldn't be as worried as somebody on minimum wage. It's pretty obvious. Of course, if those on 70K blew their cash on crap then it's their own fault.
useful_contacts wrote: » What good will that 70k a year be if they are made redundant in the next few months I could be on 200k a year and id still be worried, people in their jobs 20+ years arent safe- no one is
veryangryman wrote: » You've clearly not heard the jokes about people with arts degrees.... Seriously though, your not that long looking for work if still using text speak (I don't know one educated person over 23 who uses same). It took me two years to get a job in Science. Give it time - Tiocfaidh do lá
roosterman71 wrote: » Now would be a good time for college. When your done, things may have picked up. not such good news if your graduating this year. Or maybe even next year.
veryangryman wrote: » Is anyone else noticing the bitter reaction you get from people, relations, friends etc when you, the working man or woman, mention needing to tighten up/save instead of pissing your money away? Tough times we currently living in, but the amount of folks who think that just because your in a job now that you should be loaded/not worrying about being short-changed etc. These people should get real, and quick. The words "reality check" have never been more apt. More an observation than a discussion i guess. So, to make this a bit more thread-friendly, has anyone else had such problems? I hate falling out with people over economics, but again people need a reality check sometimes. Myself included - i bought a new car before the winter. :pac:
