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stevenmu

I've installed some of the drivers now. The ethernet and chipset drivers wouldn't install, I think they just didn't recognise the OS version. The touchpad drivers installed perfectly (and the pad works perfectly now), as did the display and battery managers. Didn't bother with the sound or wireless, they're both working fine. Going to try the graphics drivers now, want to get a before/after windows experience score.

One potentially big problem, I ended up with some pretty tricky file corruption. Not sure what caused it, it surfaced after I'd installed the trackpad driver and rebooted, the chkdsk thing came up during the boot. It couldn't solve the problem, and when I skipped it I could load windows but not run any more installers. I had to boot back into XP and run a disk check from there. Seems fine since though.

rc28

Anyone know of a simple step-by-step guide to partitioning the HD to run Windows 7 Beta alongside XP (dual boot)? I'd really like to try 7 but obviously I'd want to keep all my xp compatible software etc (also, my college network wouldn't be compatible with 7 either- took them ages to allow vista).

The_Conductor

rc28 wrote: »

Anyone know of a simple step-by-step guide to partitioning the HD to run Windows 7 Beta alongside XP (dual boot)? I'd really like to try 7 but obviously I'd want to keep all my xp compatible software etc (also, my college network wouldn't be compatible with 7 either- took them ages to allow vista).

Go to Bootdisks.com
Download a Windows 98 bootdisk
Burn it as a bootable CD
Boot from CD and at the d:\ (or whatever drive letter has been assigned to your CDROM drive) run the fdisk utility to partition your primary disk as you so choose.

Note: as your hard-drive is over 64Gb- you will need an updated fdisk utility- available here

Basq

smccarrick wrote: »

Go to Bootdisks.com
Download a Windows 98 bootdisk
Burn it as a bootable CD
Boot from CD and at the d:\ (or whatever drive letter has been assigned to your CDROM drive) run the fdisk utility to partition your primary disk as you so choose.

On the NC10? Hmmmmm... I see a flaw in your plan! (unless you've a external CDROM drive obviously)!

The_Conductor

basquille wrote: »

On the NC10? Hmmmmm... I see a flaw in your plan! (unless you've a external CDROM drive obviously)!

I guess- I assume everyone has a portable DVD burner/CDRW these days- its not a fair assumption.:o
Whack the files on a USB stick and off you go.......
I boot a light version of Linux with all my personal files on it, from a USB stick the whole time.

Basq

smccarrick wrote: »

I guess- I assume everyone has a portable DVD burner/CDRW these days- its not a fair assumption.:o
Whack the files on a USB stick and off you go.......
I boot a light version of Linux with all my personal files on it, from a USB stick the whole time.

Nah.. no portable CDROM drive to speak of.

But I do have probably 25 USB sticks...!

Might give Windows 7 a shot later.. how well does it run on the NC10 with the 2GB's RAM? About as well as Vista I'd imagine.

The_Conductor

basquille wrote: »

About as well as Vista I'd imagine.

Its actually supposed to be less resource intensive and has a massively reduced footprint- so quite possibly a lot better?

Basq

smccarrick wrote: »

Its actually supposed to be less resource intensive and has a massively reduced footprint- so quite possibly a lot better?

Hmmmm.. might give it a shot later so.

stevenmu

smccarrick wrote: »

run the fdisk utility to partition your primary disk as you so choose.

As a not, fdisk won't let you reduce the size of an existing partition, so for someone who has all of their space allocated to their C drive they would need to remove that partition, losing their XP install.

Anyone know of a simple step-by-step guide to partitioning the HD to run Windows 7 Beta alongside XP (dual boot)? I'd really like to try 7 but obviously I'd want to keep all my xp compatible software etc (also, my college network wouldn't be compatible with 7 either- took them ages to allow vista).

I used Acronis Disk Director to reduce my main partition and to create a new one. There are other tools that can do it too (see here), and it should be similar enough for them but using acronis all I had to do was:
-Right-click my main partition (the way I set my disk up initially was just the small system partition and all the other space in one big main partition) and choose "Resize partition".
-I picked a new size for it that was approx 30Gb smaller. This left me with 30Gb of unallocated space.
-I right-clicked the unallocated space and chose to create a new primary partition, picking to format it as NTFS and make it

-I applied the changes in Acronis and it went off and rebooted a few times making the changes and I then had my 2 partitions.
-Then I copied the Windows 7 ISO file to my C drive.
-Installed Daemon Tools Lite (other iso mounting software like Alchohol 120 should work just as well)
-I used it to mount the ISO image and setup began automatically (if not you should be able to browse to the drive in explorer and run it manually)
-When given the option between an "Upgrade" or "Advanced" install, pick advanced.
-It will ask what disk/partition to install to, pick the new

-It will then copy some files, reboot and continue installing.
-The installation is simple after that, it will ask you thinks like time/date settings, if you want to join a wireless network etc.

how well does it run on the NC10 with the 2GB's RAM?

It's running very smooth for me. I had the small problem above with disk corruption. It happened once again when I installed the sound drivers but hasn't happened since, so I'm reasonably sure the problem is related to driver installation. All corruption was on the Windows 7 partition, and looking through the logs all repairs seem to have been to index and shadow files, so there wasn't any danger to real data. Other other small thing I noticed was that it seemed to have started running a bit more sluggishly than before, windows were taking a bit longer to open/close, scrolling a web page would stutter a tiny bit. I figured it happened after I installed the battery management drivers so I switched to the default windows power plan instead of the samsung optimised one and it's working nice and fast again without a change in the projected battery time.

I know I've listed nothing but issues there, but other than those few things that were easily fixed it has been working extremely smoothly. I'm using it all of the time in place of XP.

Basq

Cheers for the guide stevenmu.

Will give this a shot later.

wait4me

Rsaeire wrote: »

There is no built-in modem available in the UK or Ireland NC10, so you will need to get one from one of the mobile providers.

The only way in which you can buy an NC10 with a built-in modem would be to buy the version available in Poland, however, you will also need to sign up to a mobile contract for the modem usage.

Partially answers a question I needed answering. Do the USB modem/tongles from Vodafone work okay with the NC10? A friend is 'dropping' his laptop in favour of the NC10 but only has a Vodafone modem/tongle/whatever you call it for internet access. And the Vodafone drivers etc are on CD so I suppose he needs to get a loan of a USB CD drive.

Gran Hermano

http://www.ademiller.com/blogs/tech/2009/01/windows-7-on-the-samsung-nc10-netbook/

Interesting read if you're looking at migrating to Win 7.

Rsaeire

wait4me wrote: »

Partially answers a question I needed answering. Do the USB modem/tongles from Vodafone work okay with the NC10? A friend is 'dropping' his laptop in favour of the NC10 but only has a Vodafone modem/tongle/whatever you call it for internet access. And the Vodafone drivers etc are on CD so I suppose he needs to get a loan of a USB CD drive.

The UK Vodafone USB modem works fine as per this site, so I can't see an issue with the Irish version.

Villain

I have Windows 7 running on my NC10 with only a gig of RAM and its very fast, I have installed Firefox and AVG Free and its working very well.

I have crashed explorer twice, but its a Beta so you have to accept these things will happen. Looking very good so far, I could see bussines's holding out now and going straight from XP to 7 i.e. skipping Vista

stevenmu

Not strictly relevant to Windows 7, but with Windows 7 as my host operating system I've tried running some virtual machines through Virtual PC 2007, The first one was an XP image with Visual Studio 2008 and set for 512Mb ram, I tried creating a new silverlight app and building/running it, the second was a Windows Server 2003 image set for 1024Mb ram and configured as a MOSS server, I browsed around the site a bit. Both images ran really smoothly, not quite as quickly as on my desktop of course, but they stayed smooth and responsive. Better yet, Windows 7 stayed smooth and responsive and was fine for browsing the net etc while there was some intense processing in the VMs. These little machines are just fantastic.

Kotek Besar

Could someone PM me the best place to get Windows 7 please?

Edit: scratch that - found it here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/beta-download.aspx

AlmightyCushion

basquille wrote: »

Nah.. no portable CDROM drive to speak of.

But I do have probably 25 USB sticks...!

Might give Windows 7 a shot later.. how well does it run on the NC10 with the 2GB's RAM? About as well as Vista I'd imagine.

I have it on my 4211 with 2GBs ram and it's as fast as my xp install. I'm very impressed. Handiest way to install it is:
Use Partition magic to resize your main partition.
Create new partition in unallocated space.
Mount the Windows 7 iso in something like Daemon tools.
When installation starts select complete install and set it to install on the new partition.

It's that easy. Installation only took about 30 minutes for me as well. Hopefully microsoft don't muck this up between now and release.

Basq

Cheers AC.

Gonna install on my NC10 tonight.. will let ye know it turns out.

Villain

Tip: You need the AC charger connected to install it

JohnOwonga

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I have it on my 4211 with 2GBs ram and it's as fast as my xp install. I'm very impressed. Handiest way to install it is:
Use Partition magic to resize your main partition.
Create new partition in unallocated space.
Mount the Windows 7 iso in something like Daemon tools.
When installation starts select complete install and set it to install on the new partition.

It's that easy. Installation only took about 30 minutes for me as well. Hopefully microsoft don't muck this up between now and release.

>>>>>>

Windows 7 you talking about Internet Explorer 7.0 ?
Are have Microsoft released a new version of windows after Vista?
You would have been better of with a Lidl Netbook 10 inch 2 monitor with 3years gaurantee.
For a computer manufacturer Samsung really do have only 1 years limited support,they have the least number of support centres in the world and customer support is terrible.
www.laptopreviews.com

Thanks

John

Kotek Besar

Thanks for that John.

AlmightyCushion

JohnOwonga wrote: »

>>>>>>

Windows 7 you talking about Internet Explorer 7.0 ?
Are have Microsoft released a new version of windows after Vista?

Windows 7, the succesor to Windows Vista has been released by Microsoft for beta testing. It's a beta not a full release. Windows 7 won't be properly released until next year.

JohnOwonga wrote: »

You would have been better of with a Lidl Netbook 10 inch 2 monitor with 3years gaurantee.
For a computer manufacturer Samsung really do have only 1 years limited support,they have the least number of support centres in the world and customer support is terrible.
www.laptopreviews.com

The really long battery life of the nc10 has won a lot of people over.

Do-more

Saw this posted on Sammynetbooks and gave it a whirl and it certainly seems to improve the sound quality, thought others might be interested...

The quality of the sound from the NC10 can improved considerably if you fiddle with the equalizer in the Realtek HD Audio Manager app . Basically, you need to boost the bass and top-end and cut the mid-range frequencies.

They suggested the following settings

100Hz +6dB
200Hz +7dB
400Hz +4dB
600Hz 0dB
1kHz -6dB
3kHz -7dB
6kHz -7dB
12kHz -5dB
14kHz +5dB
16kHz +10dB

You can tinker with these settings to suit your taste. Once you are happy you can save them as the default using the control wheel on the right hand side. It doesn't turn the NC10 into a hi-fi system, but it's a definite improvement.

If you find a better set of settings, post them here.

PS Don't bother with the Environment settings in the Realtek app, or Auto Volume Control in Samsung EDS - both make the sound worse.

Basq

Ooohhh nice. Was looking for something to improve it, so will give this a shot later.

Was even listening to a podcast (simple speech recorded at 128kbps MP3) and it sounded shocking!

Basq

You can get a NC10 for even cheaper on TheHut.com now.

10% off on TheHut.com for 24 hours (til tomorrow at 12pm). Enter the code 'JAN10' on checkout.

Prices below are in sterling and include shipping of 99p (but don't include the 10% discount).

Samsung NC10 (White) - £310.92
Samsung NC10 (Black) - £315.92
Samsung NC10 (Blue) - £320.92

They should work out somewhere between €310 and €320 depending on the model you choose.

Do-more

basquille wrote: »

Ooohhh nice. Was looking for something to improve it, so will give this a shot later.

Was even listening to a podcast (simple speech recorded at 128kbps MP3) and it sounded shocking!

Ye can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, but it's a definite improvement IMO.

Basq

Do-more wrote: »

Ye can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear

That's my hobbie ruined...!

:mad:

HA!

thewools

basquille wrote: »

You can get a NC10 for even cheaper on TheHut.com now.

10% off on TheHut.com for 24 hours (til tomorrow at 12pm). Enter the code 'JAN10' on checkout.

Prices below are in sterling and include shipping of 99p (but don't include the 10% discount).

Samsung NC10 (White) - £310.92
Samsung NC10 (Black) - £315.92
Samsung NC10 (Blue) - £320.92

They should work out somewhere between €310 and €320 depending on the model you choose.

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Aw well

thewools

Would I do better anywhere else then £314.93 plus the delivery from TheHut??

Pity they wouldnt let the discount work on the laptop

Gran Hermano

thewools wrote: »

Would I do better anywhere else then £314.93 plus the delivery from TheHut??

Pity they wouldnt let the discount work on the laptop

I still reckon thehut have some of the best pricing on the NC10 - especially when you include delivery. The next cheapest is Elara
and they're around the €360-370 mark compared to approx €320-325.