Welcome to World War 3

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

I stand by what I said, and to clarify "no one in the US" was a reference to any mainstream US news piece you could provide questioning America's alliance with Israel, which you still have not provided, despite your own logical approach.

Then why did you direct it at my post showing the UN secretary general condemning the attacks?
And I'll say it again: that would be an opinion piece not a presentation of facts.
Can you provide one instance of the facts being changed in order to help the NWO? Can you find an article in the mainstream media praising the actions of Israel. (Fox doesn't count because it's barely journalism. And noone takes them seriously anyway.)

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Here is another video from another Zionist puppet, Kofi Annan, who married a Swedish Rotschild and was appointed on the insistence of another zionist, Madeleine Albright. - http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1821438n

Proof of those accusations would be nice. And if he is a Zionist puppet why did he condemn Israel as well?

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

You'll find it is strangely reminiscent of your earlier video, as you will find media coverage in general will be like-for-like of the Lebanon conflict. However, what affect had this caused to Israeli policy? None I would say. Reportage will be Pro-Israel, or at best neutral, how is this balanced?

So pro hamas or anti Israeli would be perfectly balanced then?
What exactly is Pro-Israeli about reporting the Palestinian death toll and people like UN secretary general condemning Israel?

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

What kind of effect do you think any protests would have? 1million people marched against the war in Iraq in Britain. It is said that for every one person out there are another 50 at home sympathethic. That means 50 Millon Britons disagreed with Britains involvement in the war in Iraq. What did that change?

Never claimed it would change anything but that indicates that this supposed NWO to paint Palestinians as terrorist isn't working.
But if it didn't change anything why would they need to control the media anyway?

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

As for the conspiracy, here are the Zionists in their own words on Palestine - http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm

Not exactly the most balanced website there.

King Mob wrote: »

Exactly that. First it was "no world leader of import condemned the attacks" then it was "no one in the US" now the UN Secretary General doesn't count. Yea thats called moving the goalposts.
The original point was "World leaders of import will never speak out against Israel, they'll condemn attacks, or regret the actions, or encourage caution or some ****, but never fullón condmenation." This has been shown not to be true.
Isn't the UN a NWO plot as well? Or is that only when it's convient to your "theory".

Funny how noone believes the extermination of the Palestinians is a good thing. All those protests against Israel must be a double bluff.
And all those news reports about the Israeli's killing a disproportionate amount of Palestinians must be some kinda of trick.

What events exactly?
How do you know it was the NWO and not someone else or just a normal alliance?
What evidence leads you to believe it's a NWO conspiracy.

I stand by what I said, and to clarify "no one in the US" was a reference to any mainstream US news piece you could provide questioning America's alliance with Israel, which you still have not provided, despite your own logical approach. Here is another video from another Zionist puppet, Kofi Annan, who married a Swedish Rotschild and was appointed on the insistence of another zionist, Madeleine Albright. - http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1821438n

You'll find it is strangely reminiscent of your earlier video, as you will find media coverage in general will be like-for-like of the Lebanon conflict. However, what affect had this caused to Israeli policy? None I would say. Reportage will be Pro-Israel, or at best neutral, how is this balanced?

What kind of effect do you think any protests would have? 1million people marched against the war in Iraq in Britain. It is said that for every one person out there are another 50 at home sympathethic. That means 50 Millon Britons disagreed with Britains involvement in the war in Iraq. What did that change?

As for the conspiracy, here are the Zionists in their own words on Palestine - http://www.monabaker.com/quotes.htm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

how did I move theGoalposts we know that the UN is toothless in this situation,so its hardly a World Leader of Import

Exactly that. First it was "no world leader of import condemned the attacks" then it was "no one in the US" now the UN Secretary General doesn't count. Yea thats called moving the goalposts.
The original point was "World leaders of import will never speak out against Israel, they'll condemn attacks, or regret the actions, or encourage caution or some ****, but never fullón condmenation." This has been shown not to be true.
Isn't the UN a NWO plot as well? Or is that only when it's convient to your "theory".

Mahatma coat wrote: »

the Conspiracy, Israel and its Lizzzzzzzzzzzzzard allies want the Gaza strip, they have conspired to bring about a situation where their invasion and the extermination of the Palestinians is justified in the yes of the world

Funny how noone believes the extermination of the Palestinians is a good thing. All those protests against Israel must be a double bluff.
And all those news reports about the Israeli's killing a disproportionate amount of Palestinians must be some kinda of trick.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

you sayin this is not a conspiracy

you sayin that this is not being orchestrated/allowed by the NWO

I suppose that all these events just ocured coincidentaly

What events exactly?
How do you know it was the NWO and not someone else or just a normal alliance?
What evidence leads you to believe it's a NWO conspiracy.

Sorry you feel that way, really, I take a slightly different view of the situation

I had typed a long post outlining my reasons for defendng Garreth, but then I realised that I was contributing to taking this debte back into the realm of PURE insanity, and we were doing so well.

So I've made a statement on this, lets continue on with some proper debate please

<edit> Whalofshi, banned for a bit</edit>

Nehaxak

...and that is where I exit this forum then, never even to read a post in here again.
I cannot put up with this continued carry-on from a religious nut-job posting his crap without EVER EVER EVER backing up ANYTHING he posts and REFUSING to even debate his posts. It's plain and simple fanatical religious propaganda and if that's the kind of thing that goes on and is allowed in here then I refuse henceforth to participate.

Ciao...

Again, I would like to implore posters to leave off atacking Garreths beliefs, fel free to ignore him, however wandering in and mocking him is frowned upon

Actually

line drawn, Me, Bonkey and Miju are the Mods here, we will make the decisions as to how gareth is dealt with, any further attempts at back seat moddin will result in

A one Week Ban

that is all

Nehaxak

Gareth37 wrote: »

2 Days after Christmas Day the Jews strike Jesus' people. Who killed Jesus? Was it the Jews or the Roman Empire?

This is the start of many great victories for the antichrist. War after war is to follow and victory after victory for the antichrist.

The great trial for the Catholic Church and all Christians is looming ahead of us. The antichrist whos name begins with B will roar loudly about his great victories after WW3.

The guns are firmly pointed at the head of Jesus Christ and ALL His followers.

However, after the battles are fought Jesus will come in all His might and glory through the clouds to save all few that will survive and allow themselves to be persecuted by the great 7 year trial.

This is the war that ends all wars and then will come the day that ends all evil.

Stock up with your own supply of food and fresh water for the years ahead of us.

WELCOME TO WORLD WAR 3

1. jesus christ never existed
2. There is no god
3. There is no devil
4. Nobody really cares either way
5. Religious fanaticism such as that from yourself is putting off a lot of people who read/post on this Conspiracy Theory forum - you are only trolling with your stupid jesus christ this and that posts
6. You have and give NOTHING whatsoever to back up your posts, ever !
7. Referring to yourself as a "prophet" even if saying you don't want to appear as a "false prophet" shows clearly that you need to seek professional help.

This forum has "gone to hell" since you started posting in it.

how did I move theGoalposts we know that the UN is toothless in this situation,so its hardly a World Leader of Import

the Conspiracy, Israel and its Lizzzzzzzzzzzzzard allies want the Gaza strip, they have conspired to bring about a situation where their invasion and the extermination of the Palestinians is justified in the yes of the world

you sayin this is not a conspiracy

you sayin that this is not being orchestrated/allowed by the NWO

I suppose that all these events just ocured coincidentaly

Mahatma coat wrote: »

why, is he gonna slap Israel with sanctions, NO, because the US will veto.

Wow look at those goal posts move.
The original point was that no world leader of import would condemn the attacks. This has been shown to be not true. I never claimed that there would be sanctions.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I think you just made the point for us

Thanks

That the Bush administration supports Israel?
Not exactly a revelation.

I can point to a lot of people who are of the opinion that the US should not support Israel. And I can point to a few news articles about the bad **** Israel has done.
I am still waiting to hear the conspiracy. And why the "Blatantly Zionist media" isn't covering this up?

Patricide

Gareth37 wrote: »

Laugh and mock all you want.

Let those with eyes open them and those with ears keep them open and free from mud.

When you see great cities in ruins you will know the time is close. Even this country may be shook by earthquakes and there will warnings galore that will be put down to "global warming".

Please explain how earthquakes could be accredited to global warming, im no sceintist here but i hardly think carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is going to change lava flow underground...therefore unless im missing somthing here i think sceintists might think like me too....

King Mob wrote: »

No you said:
I would think the UN Secretary General is pretty important.

why, is he gonna slap Israel with sanctions, NO, because the US will veto.

And I doubt you would find someone in the current administration speaking out against Israel what with all the support and what not.

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What's your point?

I think you just made the point for us

Thanks

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Nice try, but I specifically said US

No you said:

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

World leaders of import will never speak out against Israel, they'll condemn attacks, or regret the actions, or encourage caution or some ****, but never fullón condmenation.

I would think the UN Secretary General is pretty important.

And I doubt you would find someone in the current administration speaking out against Israel what with all the support and what not.
What's your point?

King Mob wrote: »

Then you should know the difference between an opinion piece and presenting the facts. It's the difference between opinion and fact.

And I studied philosophy, whats your point?

That I should have known.

King Mob wrote: »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7804051.stm
There's a video of him giving a Full on condemnation there.

Nice try, but I specifically said US

Here is More condemnation from the UN that I posted earlier http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=29422&Cr=palestin&Cr1=

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

haha, yaeh and I studied journalism, well it should be actual news if this opinion piece does exist.

Then you should know the difference between an opinion piece and presenting the facts. It's the difference between opinion and fact.

And I studied philosophy, whats your point?

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

What harm can it do? for most westerners at least, Palestine is so far removed from their own reality that it will all be forgotten soon enough, like Libya. Flavour of the months now for liberals etc but no one really cares. World leaders of import will never speak out against Israel, they'll condemn attacks, or regret the actions, or encourage caution or some ****, but never fullón condmenation.

BBC wrote:

UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has called for an immediate ceasefire and condemned both Israel and Hamas.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7804051.stm
There's a video of him giving a Full on condemnation there.

King Mob wrote: »

That would be an opinion piece not actual news. And despite my best efforts I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of opinion pieces regarding the Iraq war.
I believe there is a fellow on MSNBC who has a few choice words on the matter.

haha, yaeh and I studied journalism, well it should be actual news if this opinion piece does exist.

King Mob wrote: »

Care to explain why the "Blatantly zionist media" is reporting these attacks then? Or that the information is freely available on the internet, gory history and all?
Maybe instead of asking to be spoon fed information about the world and take ten minute to browse the site of a decent news agency like BBC or Reuters or at a stretch Al Jazeera?

What harm can it do? for most westerners at least, Palestine is so far removed from their own reality that it will all be forgotten soon enough, like Libya. Flavour of the months now for liberals etc but no one really cares. World leaders of import will never speak out against Israel, they'll condemn attacks, or regret the actions, or encourage caution or some ****, but never fullón condmenation.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Okay, both sides are guilty? can you give me one mainstream US article questioning America's support in the region? perhaps even to suggest that they may be on the wrong side?

This should be easier, a mainstream article indicating that that the invasion of Iraq best served Israel and not US interests

That would be an opinion piece not actual news. And despite my best efforts I don't have an encyclopedic knowledge of opinion pieces regarding the Iraq war.
I believe there is a fellow on MSNBC who has a few choice words on the matter.
Besides even if I did point to such an article what would it prove? That someone didn't agree with US foreign policy?

But maybe you can provide an article or something in which the facts had been deliberately changed or withheld for the purpose of aiding a NWO?

King Mob wrote: »

At what point did I say the Israeli response was justified?
Or that there would be any other outcome than pissing off Palestinians?

I've said several times that it is a complex situation and both sides are guilty of some fairly bad ****.
I'm still waiting to hear the conspiracy.
No cover up or nothing.

Okay, both sides are guilty? can you give me one mainstream US article questioning America's support in the region? perhaps even to suggest that they may be on the wrong side?

This should be easier, a mainstream article indicating that that the invasion of Iraq best served Israel and not US interests

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

I'm not informed on the subject, or any subject for that matter. But I have opinions as anyone else, justified or not equally valid. But I have a right to vote, as most Americans do. And if they have been spoon fed propoganda (subtle or not) by the blatantly zionist media in the US, while they may not be "informed" on the subject they have technically been informed, and opinions have been formed by the audience which will influence future policy int the region.

Care to explain why the "Blatantly zionist media" is reporting these attacks then? Or that the information is freely available on the internet, gory history and all?
Maybe instead of asking to be spoon fed information about the world and take ten minute to browse the site of a decent news agency like BBC or Reuters or at a stretch Al Jazeera?

I'm not informed on the subject, or any subject for that matter. But I have opinions as anyone else, justified or not equally valid. But I have a right to vote, as most Americans do. And if they have been spoon fed propoganda (subtle or not) by the blatantly zionist media in the US, while they may not be "informed" on the subject they have technically been informed, and opinions have been formed by the audience which will influence future policy int the region.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

yeah, the Caucusses is where orthodox Christianity meets the middle east.

Because if they are not global they are not a threat to your average american, therefore we need not be afraid.

Well I'm not American. Nor do I need to be "afraid" of something to know it exists.
And I seem to remember something about the IRA training Colombian Terrorists. Must be the Muslim IRA.

Still waiting to hear the conspiracy theory by the way.

King Mob wrote: »

Really? Thought they were just separatists. May look into it.

Yea they referenced as such. Why would it matter if they're global or not.

Cept when then declared an end to their armed campaign which had kinda died off long before 9/11.
But hey if the news isn't reporting them noone cares or remembers them right?

Usually when someone say "all terrorists and Muslims" they're not exactly informed on the subject.

yeah, the Caucusses is where orthodox Christianity meets the middle east.

Because if they are not global they are not a threat to your average american, therefore we need not be afraid.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

chechens are islamic

Really? Thought they were just separatists. May look into it.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

colombian terrorists? literally yes I guess but not referenced as such, and not global.

Yea they referenced as such. Why would it matter if they're global or not.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

IRA ? haven't seen them in the news much since sept 11th.

Cept when then declared an end to their armed campaign which had kinda died off long before 9/11.
But hey if the news isn't reporting them noone cares or remembers them right?

Usually when someone say "all terrorists and Muslims" they're not exactly informed on the subject.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

ok King Mob, please answer this, keeping to one side your opinion on the right to a Jewish state to one side, whatever it may be. The Israeli response was justified because...

The positive outcomes arising shall be...

At what point did I say the Israeli response was justified?
Or that there would be any other outcome than pissing off Palestinians?

I've said several times that it is a complex situation and both sides are guilty of some fairly bad ****.
I'm still waiting to hear the conspiracy.
No cover up or nothing.

chechens are islamic, colombian terrorists? literally yes I guess but not referenced as such, and not global. IRA ? haven't seen them in the news much since sept 11th.

ok King Mob, please answer this, keeping to one side your opinion on the right to a Jewish state to one side, whatever it may be. The Israeli response was justified because...

The positive outcomes arising shall be...

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

is your question who are the powerful figures in the media world? goes back to when the Rothschilds purchased Reuters of England adn the main news agencies in France and Germany pre 1914, they haven't got much press since then. obviously it is controlled, do you mean engineered with an agenda?

Any evidence of continued control? As in stories deliberately changed to support the NWO?

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

Mainstream western media in general. Islam is not a race, and while not all arabs are terrorists, all terrorists seem to be moslem.

Except for the IRA and the Chechens in Russia or the Colombians. And when they identify as group as opposed to just Muslims. Oh and all the state sponsored stuff like Israel. But hey that's obviously oversimplified enough.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

another silly anecdote, but I was in Supermacs today. There was an indian security guy on, wouldnät let some chap up to use the bathroom, so he starts calling him "Al Qaeda". Why do you think that happened? I have some idiot friends who get nervous on a flight if there is an arab on board. Why do Irish people fear muslims when they have never had a conversation with one even?

Because some people are stupid and believe their prejudices to be fact.
It's probably from a lack of information than the NWO or whatever trying to paint arabs (or people with brown skin) as terrorists. I'd wager that these people who are nervous on planes don't purposely keep up with international events.

Sofa_King Good wrote: »

How exactly would they cover it up?

By not reporting it? By playing down the Palestinian casualties? By not reporting the Palestinian and Hamas's statements? By not reporting the UN Secretary General condemnation of Israel? By not reporting the protests against Israel?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7804051.stm