How do people feel about this one? Will it be short and sweet?
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you think people want to go on strike instead of waiting for an agreement late in the negotiations? It’s just not based in reality
But that agreement could be reached earlier, this fluting about and coming to what they knew they would get to weeks before is pointless and a source of discontent in recent years. It is very much based in reality, it is the system we have now, just condensed into a month.
The only difference between what I asked and what you are saying is i am saying don't wait months to do it.
Of course I should have said, at the end, go to your members and ask them to accept it or not, simples.
but that’s what union officials are elected to do. They’re voted in/employed to do the negotiations so that they don’t need to vote on every proposal.
Obviously unions want it as quick as possible, but there’s two sides here and it’s in one of those side’s interest to make it as long and drawn out as possible. It’s clearly working too seeing as you think there’s discontent
local bargaining increments to be applied shortly.
who did you hear this from? I was told Apr/May and then June, none of my colleagues have heard either.
For who?
For does awaiting them
Sorry I ask because a lot havent been agreed even yet. Utter joke really.
have any areas received the June 1%?
Yes Revenue have.
Culture, Communication and Sport have as well
I'm a DSP pensioner, got the 1% in last week's payroll
Yes, received in Housing too.
great thanks
Next deal should be at least 12% over 3 years. We were shafted in the last deal as it didn’t come anywhere near matching inflation.
Of course it should but thats not going to happen
They will probably reduce ufc/income tax across the board and butter it up as part of the package .
Unfortunately we are so conditioned to shît deals at this stage, we will be made some stupid offer, the unions will proclaim it as the best thing since sliced bread and it'll be voted in by a large majority 🙄 "could be worse, eh" - well, yeah, but not by much.
BTW anyone especially pre-95s hoping that their pension will keep pace with wages never mind inflation in future, look at how CIE pensioners have been totally shafted for 20 years now, and they have no comeback whatsoever and no state old age pension to fall back on.
The state old age pension is still reliably increased in line with inflation (or much more when Bertie was in - he knew how to buy votes) as the electoral cost of not doing so is unthinkable. But nobody gives a shîte if "fat cat civil and public servants" get shafted - most would applaud it.
Incidentally there are some very interesting threads on Ask About Money about how the public sector unions are selling out their members in relation to AVCs.
https://www.askaboutmoney.com/forums/public-sector-pensions.61/
You can get far better deals yourself, especially if you engage an execution-only broker.
Go through the union-recommended ones, and Cornmarket etc skim off 5% of your investment on the way in - totally scandalous - as well as excessive annual fees.
The very minor downside of doing it yourself is that you have to arrange a direct debit instead of salary deduction (big deal) and have to claim back the tax relief, but on Revenue myAccount that's easier than it's ever been.
You'd seriously have to question why all of the public sector unions so staunchly recommend such bad deals to their members. Some palms are being greased that's for sure.
But if you can buy addtional years of service - for pre-2013s for certain - ignore all the noise about AVCs. Do this first. Prioritise it above paying down your mortgage. It's the best value going. It just doesn't have a salesperson on hefty commission recommending it to you…
thanks HBD will take a look into it
I don't agree that buying years always makes sense or is the best value. If you want certainty on your return then yes, that might be worth paying a premium for. In other cases AVCs maybe better value.
Well anyone who is considering an AVC should certainly look into added service first. Problem is, it's not in the interest of whoever is trying to sell you an AVC (and pocket their commission) to point that out.
TBF in most cases the designated broker's role is to advise on / execute AVCs not to provide general pension or wealth advice.
AVCs offer far more flexibility and other advantages over buying service particularly for those unmarried / without children
It's really not clear cut at all
The point I think that’s trying to be made is that the unions are advertising this as a reason to join a union, a benefit a benefit for new members. I wonder have Forsa etc done due diligence here on behalf of new members.
Purchasing service should always be the first port of call for those who are eligible.
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2026/0618/1579184-public-pay-talks/
the central bank already warning of possible 5% inflation for 2027 - very hard to do 3 year deals at this rate
12% or 4% a year could be worth less than inflation and thats even before government slaps taxes on it again
hard to get union members trust when there is still no sign of local bargaining from september last year......
My brother is a civil servant (enterprise) and he was telling me DPER are pushing for greater office presence as part of the negotiations
Any truth in it?
Not true. In most circumstances, but not all. If you plan to retire early for example with CNR it's usually better to do AVCs over purchasing service.
It would have to be made up because it would be unenforceable with so many local agreements, the fact that many don't actually work at an office at all, as well as the concept of a government department pushing for office attendance to increase while commuting traffic is so high.
At best it's a flag waving exercise for the union leadership to say, we stopped that happening, more likely ita the random rumour mill of made up BS.
