https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/13/israel-iran-strikes-defence-minister-tehran-middle-east-live
Reports stating that Israel have launched an attack against Iran
It's another option but also one that's expensive and might not even be needed considering our energy needs and our natural resources. Considering the nonsense with a children's hospital, how long would it take us to get a nuclear reactor going?
If the price of eggs can bring down a presidential hopeful think what the price of oil could do.
A better question would of been " how did Iran fire the tomahawk when they can't be fired from Jets " ?
Mind you Trump would of just said " well we do sell lot of ships and submarines also to other countries " no doubt.
You also have Hezbollah committing war crimes by recruiting children as young as 12 and 13 to operate as child terrorists. If those terrorists are killed, we have outrage about Israel killing children, but there is never anything said about the war crimes of recruiting them.
https://rietjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/EN_RIET_2022_N7_Child-soldiers-in-Palestinian-groups-forced-recruitment-and-use-of-minors-as-a-violation-of-International-Humanitarian-Law_daniel-perez-garcia_art2.pdf
Interesting article here about the activities of Palestinian groups in this regard.
Nothing is as simple as it is seen.
IIran said 3117 died including over 200 police. To put in context, 7 us personnel dead and 1255 Iranians killed. Were the Iranian government to have a kill ratio like the US, 36,000 would have been killed. Maybe that's where that figure came from.
I recall a US backed Syrian rebel was film eating the heart of an assad supporter. We were told they were the good guys not to mention all the weapons that went to ISIS.
Iran said is backed terrorists turned the peaceful protests violent. If a shooter kills a police officer and the other officers fire back lots of people die. This sounds like what the Israelis/ CIA does. It's their mo.
I believe Iran before the US/ Israel but acknowledge I could be completely wrong.
Anyway, I hope that helps explain the 200 figure. 200 police.
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2026/1/31/appropriating-the-death-count-manufacturing-consent-for-an-attack-on-iran
So Iran have admitted to killing 2,900 of their own civilians, while the US has killed 1,255 Iranians, including soldiers and Ayatollahs etc., yet you have greater condemnation of the US, given those figures?
And we know that far more of their own civilians were killed than the Iranians admitted to. Human rights groups have verified around 10,000.
@JohnDoe2025 please have the decency to reply here. What we write matters.
You are now stalking me on several threads with the same questions.
Two threads. Same question. You brought it up.
A little humanity please. Now that we know the truth, a simple acknowledgement will suffice. It already speaks volumes.
Can you send us the sources to these human rights groups please?
If they verify 10,000, as you say, why do you continue to state it to be over 30,000?
Any deaths by a regime are horrific but multiplying the dead and using it as a propaganda tool to push your own agenda just shows no respect to those actually murdered.
For the purpose of my last post, I accepted the Iranian deathcount and showed how they have killed more of their own civilians than the Israelis/US did, yet the criticism of their actions has been muted.
Address that point rather than going after a poster.
A quick check on the marine traffic website is showing more ships passing through, nearly all with cargo bound for India and China. China already has a 12% discount on the market price for Iranian oil in return for long term investments, and India most likely has been in touch in the days after the US sank an Iranian ship in their waters.
No doubt Iran has more leverage now that Trump has undermined the US security guarantee in the region and it's very likely individual gulf states are now negotiating with Tehran regarding permission slips.
This perception of US weakness is going to undermine every US protected regime in the region, so still scope for plenty of regional turbulence ahead in the aftermath.
Tactically for Iran driving a barrel of oil to $200+ would not just hurt the world economy but it would have ramifications domestically for politicians and governments.
It's very much an option I imagine they are considering although it comes with pain for them too.
How many ways can you find to avoid answering questions?
I'm asking for your evidence for the human rights groups that have verified 10,000 deaths.
If you take this to be true why do you continuously use the figure of over 30,000? It's a simple question.
As discussed to death in parallel thread it’s cheaper and greener just ask the French of the Finns
And doesn’t swap reliance on Middle East to reliance on China
Which is precisely what posters here are proposing without stopping to think for more than a minute
Are you trying to avoid answering the point made in my most recent substantive post, by referring back to previous claims.
Accepting the Iranian figures, we still have a situation that they have killed far more of their own civilians than the Israelis and US have.
I have said that any deaths are horrific, no matter who has caused them, what other posters condemn has nothing to do with me.
I have answered your question, can you do the respectful thing and answer mine?
Firstly provide your evidence for the human rights groups that have verified 10,000 deaths.
And,
If you stop and think for more than a minute you'd realize that China might have the most production of solar and batteries but there's production in other South East asia countries that aren't China.
So far I'm seeing very little in the way of success from this attack. So an extremist regime is likely gonna become more extreme, regime change is incredibly unlikely as a result of this. Thousands are being killed. Oil prices are unstable and the entirety of the Middle East has been destabilised.
So I think most would agree that the Iranian regime commit countless atrocities but this isn't gonna resolve that, meanwhile the US are also engaging in atrocities with no clear strategic goal. Meanwhile the likes of Ukraine were desperate for help from Trump and he mocked and lampooned their leader. That's not to mention various other decisions he's made that will cost countless live eg cutting USAID. (That one will cost millions of lives)
You realise the irony of going on about self sufficiency while ignoring what our fellow friendly EU member states have done on that subject while remaining green, and hitching the carriage to China?
Also;
As you can see I have thought about this for more than a minute
The only options for EU left are either massive switch to nuclear
or massive subsidies to renewable companies not yet fully bankrupted (like Orsted) companies that been driven to brink of extinction by China while placing massive tarrifs on non eu renewables tech imports (like Trump done in US)
I suspect the lefties and environmentalists would balk at both options so we just endup replacing dependence from one authoritarian bunch on another, yet again
Already signs that Trump is looking for an exit.
I always said he hadn't got the stamina that Israel has for this war.
So you want the same model as the Trump admin? Shipping people, including citizens who happen to be a different colour or have become naturalised, to a dark site concentration camp? Because that's what I'm talking about, and it's not insulting because the protestors are under the boot of an oppressive regime but if you can't see the parallels between ICE operating as a secret police and not following due process then maybe you should step back and look at the bigger picture.
Judging by your "remove all the immigants!" Position I doubt you will.
As I have said, it is not an issue whether you or I say that any deaths are horrific, we are just anonymous internet posters.
My point is that the Irish left have been silent on the greater atrocities committed against their own civilians by the Iranian regime than they are on the actions of the US and Israel.
So you're essentially saying today is that your posts are irrelevant and not to be taken seriously because they are anonymous? If so, why can't you answer straight questions?
Have you been on Boards before because I think you are struggling with the concept of a discussion forum.
I do not speak for a large section of Irish society.
Why do refuse to answer my questions or provide evidence to back up your claims?
Apparently, one of the reasons for the Israeli lockdown on information about the effects of the Iranian missile bombardments is to make double-tapping more difficult (ensuring that it would need to be done blindly).
Double-tapping has been going on for a long time now. The Russians have been doing it on a continual basis for years now, for example. (For the removal of any doubt, I find the practice to be appalling, no matter who does it).
I believe friends who have family on living there, so we'll have to disagree on the reliability of a regime which doesn't want to appear it's killing thousands of its own people and going around hospitals killing people who have been wounded by gunfire as they pay in their bed.
Once we have sufficient solar installed we become less reliant though?
In simple English my PV is belting away at the moment indifferent to the market turmoil.
If things went bad then the installed PV in Ireland would last a lot longer than just 90 day oil reserves.
So far, the only people denying it on this thread are the people who can't accept that the Israelis didn't do this, that it was, in fact, an American strike. It seems to be some kind of bizarre derangement to have to blame Israel for everything bad in the world, irrespective of reality.
That’s not how the grid works, especially since solar in Ireland only has a 10% capacity factor over the year with long periods of no to little solar radiation, and without spinning reserve that can bring grid down like happened so famously in Spain
Which is precisely why our grid is so reliant on gas as backup for majority of time wind and solar doing f all
For example right now our 7000MW of wind and 2000MW of solar is nowhere meeting 5600MW of demand leading to gas being burned as backup
with us producing 6x co2 of France this morning at multiples of the electricity price
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