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US/Israel conduct airstrikes on Iran again

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 55,153 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    It's another option but also one that's expensive and might not even be needed considering our energy needs and our natural resources. Considering the nonsense with a children's hospital, how long would it take us to get a nuclear reactor going?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 55,153 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    If the price of eggs can bring down a presidential hopeful think what the price of oil could do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,665 ✭✭✭brickster69


    A better question would of been " how did Iran fire the tomahawk when they can't be fired from Jets " ?

    Mind you Trump would of just said " well we do sell lot of ships and submarines also to other countries " no doubt.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You also have Hezbollah committing war crimes by recruiting children as young as 12 and 13 to operate as child terrorists. If those terrorists are killed, we have outrage about Israel killing children, but there is never anything said about the war crimes of recruiting them.

    https://rietjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/EN_RIET_2022_N7_Child-soldiers-in-Palestinian-groups-forced-recruitment-and-use-of-minors-as-a-violation-of-International-Humanitarian-Law_daniel-perez-garcia_art2.pdf

    Interesting article here about the activities of Palestinian groups in this regard.

    Nothing is as simple as it is seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 939 ✭✭✭engineerws


    IIran said 3117 died including over 200 police. To put in context, 7 us personnel dead and 1255 Iranians killed. Were the Iranian government to have a kill ratio like the US, 36,000 would have been killed. Maybe that's where that figure came from.

    I recall a US backed Syrian rebel was film eating the heart of an assad supporter. We were told they were the good guys not to mention all the weapons that went to ISIS.

    Iran said is backed terrorists turned the peaceful protests violent. If a shooter kills a police officer and the other officers fire back lots of people die. This sounds like what the Israelis/ CIA does. It's their mo.

    I believe Iran before the US/ Israel but acknowledge I could be completely wrong.

    Anyway, I hope that helps explain the 200 figure. 200 police.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2026/1/31/appropriating-the-death-count-manufacturing-consent-for-an-attack-on-iran



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    So Iran have admitted to killing 2,900 of their own civilians, while the US has killed 1,255 Iranians, including soldiers and Ayatollahs etc., yet you have greater condemnation of the US, given those figures?

    And we know that far more of their own civilians were killed than the Iranians admitted to. Human rights groups have verified around 10,000.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    @JohnDoe2025 please have the decency to reply here. What we write matters.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    You are now stalking me on several threads with the same questions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Two threads. Same question. You brought it up.

    A little humanity please. Now that we know the truth, a simple acknowledgement will suffice. It already speaks volumes.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Can you send us the sources to these human rights groups please?

    If they verify 10,000, as you say, why do you continue to state it to be over 30,000?

    Any deaths by a regime are horrific but multiplying the dead and using it as a propaganda tool to push your own agenda just shows no respect to those actually murdered.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    For the purpose of my last post, I accepted the Iranian deathcount and showed how they have killed more of their own civilians than the Israelis/US did, yet the criticism of their actions has been muted.

    Address that point rather than going after a poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,998 ✭✭✭yagan


    A quick check on the marine traffic website is showing more ships passing through, nearly all with cargo bound for India and China. China already has a 12% discount on the market price for Iranian oil in return for long term investments, and India most likely has been in touch in the days after the US sank an Iranian ship in their waters.

    No doubt Iran has more leverage now that Trump has undermined the US security guarantee in the region and it's very likely individual gulf states are now negotiating with Tehran regarding permission slips.

    This perception of US weakness is going to undermine every US protected regime in the region, so still scope for plenty of regional turbulence ahead in the aftermath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,337 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Tactically for Iran driving a barrel of oil to $200+ would not just hurt the world economy but it would have ramifications domestically for politicians and governments.

    It's very much an option I imagine they are considering although it comes with pain for them too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    How many ways can you find to avoid answering questions?

    I'm asking for your evidence for the human rights groups that have verified 10,000 deaths.

    If you take this to be true why do you continuously use the figure of over 30,000? It's a simple question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭bored65


    As discussed to death in parallel thread it’s cheaper and greener just ask the French of the Finns

    And doesn’t swap reliance on Middle East to reliance on China

    Which is precisely what posters here are proposing without stopping to think for more than a minute



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    Are you trying to avoid answering the point made in my most recent substantive post, by referring back to previous claims.

    Accepting the Iranian figures, we still have a situation that they have killed far more of their own civilians than the Israelis and US have.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I have said that any deaths are horrific, no matter who has caused them, what other posters condemn has nothing to do with me.

    I have answered your question, can you do the respectful thing and answer mine?

    Firstly provide your evidence for the human rights groups that have verified 10,000 deaths.

    And,

    If you take this to be true why do you continuously use the figure of over 30,000? It's a simple question.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 55,153 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    If you stop and think for more than a minute you'd realize that China might have the most production of solar and batteries but there's production in other South East asia countries that aren't China.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,204 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    So far I'm seeing very little in the way of success from this attack. So an extremist regime is likely gonna become more extreme, regime change is incredibly unlikely as a result of this. Thousands are being killed. Oil prices are unstable and the entirety of the Middle East has been destabilised.

    So I think most would agree that the Iranian regime commit countless atrocities but this isn't gonna resolve that, meanwhile the US are also engaging in atrocities with no clear strategic goal. Meanwhile the likes of Ukraine were desperate for help from Trump and he mocked and lampooned their leader. That's not to mention various other decisions he's made that will cost countless live eg cutting USAID. (That one will cost millions of lives)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭bored65


    You realise the irony of going on about self sufficiency while ignoring what our fellow friendly EU member states have done on that subject while remaining green, and hitching the carriage to China?


    Also;

    1. them East Asian countries often just repackage Chinese manufactured products to bypass tarrifs and don’t actually manufacture anything
    2. China driven out of business (or about to) every EU manufacturer of solar panels, turbines and batteries

    As you can see I have thought about this for more than a minute

    The only options for EU left are either massive switch to nuclear

    or massive subsidies to renewable companies not yet fully bankrupted (like Orsted) companies that been driven to brink of extinction by China while placing massive tarrifs on non eu renewables tech imports (like Trump done in US)

    I suspect the lefties and environmentalists would balk at both options so we just endup replacing dependence from one authoritarian bunch on another, yet again



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,420 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Already signs that Trump is looking for an exit.

    I always said he hadn't got the stamina that Israel has for this war.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So you want the same model as the Trump admin? Shipping people, including citizens who happen to be a different colour or have become naturalised, to a dark site concentration camp? Because that's what I'm talking about, and it's not insulting because the protestors are under the boot of an oppressive regime but if you can't see the parallels between ICE operating as a secret police and not following due process then maybe you should step back and look at the bigger picture.

    Judging by your "remove all the immigants!" Position I doubt you will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭JohnDoe2025


    As I have said, it is not an issue whether you or I say that any deaths are horrific, we are just anonymous internet posters.

    My point is that the Irish left have been silent on the greater atrocities committed against their own civilians by the Iranian regime than they are on the actions of the US and Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,990 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    So you're essentially saying today is that your posts are irrelevant and not to be taken seriously because they are anonymous? If so, why can't you answer straight questions?

    Have you been on Boards before because I think you are struggling with the concept of a discussion forum.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,589 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    I do not speak for a large section of Irish society.

    Why do refuse to answer my questions or provide evidence to back up your claims?

    Firstly provide your evidence for the human rights groups that have verified 10,000 deaths.

    And,

    If you take this to be true why do you continuously use the figure of over 30,000? It's a simple question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Apparently, one of the reasons for the Israeli lockdown on information about the effects of the Iranian missile bombardments is to make double-tapping more difficult (ensuring that it would need to be done blindly).

    Double-tapping has been going on for a long time now. The Russians have been doing it on a continual basis for years now, for example. (For the removal of any doubt, I find the practice to be appalling, no matter who does it).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,931 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    I believe friends who have family on living there, so we'll have to disagree on the reliability of a regime which doesn't want to appear it's killing thousands of its own people and going around hospitals killing people who have been wounded by gunfire as they pay in their bed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 663 ✭✭✭rayman10


    Once we have sufficient solar installed we become less reliant though?

    In simple English my PV is belting away at the moment indifferent to the market turmoil.

    If things went bad then the installed PV in Ireland would last a lot longer than just 90 day oil reserves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭Enduro


    So far, the only people denying it on this thread are the people who can't accept that the Israelis didn't do this, that it was, in fact, an American strike. It seems to be some kind of bizarre derangement to have to blame Israel for everything bad in the world, irrespective of reality.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,803 ✭✭✭bored65


    That’s not how the grid works, especially since solar in Ireland only has a 10% capacity factor over the year with long periods of no to little solar radiation, and without spinning reserve that can bring grid down like happened so famously in Spain

    Which is precisely why our grid is so reliant on gas as backup for majority of time wind and solar doing f all

    For example right now our 7000MW of wind and 2000MW of solar is nowhere meeting 5600MW of demand leading to gas being burned as backup

    IMG_6678.jpeg

    with us producing 6x co2 of France this morning at multiples of the electricity price



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